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Off Topic The cycling on tram lines thread...

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by GLP, Sep 30, 2019.

  1. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    Yes, we do don't we.
     
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  2. Des Head

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    Opinions ≠ Facts
     
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    I'm glad I didn't get involved in this debate...
     
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  4. Amin Arrears

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    I think we is justified in this case.

    However many people have commented vs 1 person telling us every study, brain surgeons and any other qualified expert you could wish to find is wrong.
     
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  6. Edelman

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    What other items of protection should dispel ??
     
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  7. Amin Arrears

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    Stab vests and bulletproof vests in the police for a start. They make the job appear more dangerous than it is to would be recruits, so numbers are down. It also makes police officers wearing them think they are invincible, and walk into a barrage of gunfire like they’re Neo in The Matrix.
     
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  8. DMD

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    Well, if neurosurgeons are the experts on helmets...let's chuck a psychologist into the mix too...

    Dr. Henry Marsh, a neurosurgeon at St. George's Hospital in London, believes many cycling helmets are simply "too flimsy."

    A Marsh was speaking at the Hay Literary Festival. There, he threw caution to an erudite wind by saying: "I ride a bike and I never wear a helmet. In the countries where bike helmets are compulsory there has been no reduction in bike injuries whatsoever."

    There are surely those who would differ. All over the world, parents equip their children with bike helmets, in the sure belief that those helmets will protect little heads.

    Marsh, however, believes science doesn't prove this.

    Worse, he pointed to research from the UK's University of Bath that said the mere presence of cyclists wearing helmets makes car drivers feel they are safer.

    Logic then propels them to drive 3 inches closer to these cyclists, hence enhancing the possibility of accidents.

    That research, conducted in 2006 by a psychologist who had himself been hit by a truck and a car while cycling, insisted that drivers became more careless around helmeted cyclists.

    However, it did acknowledge that helmets were useful for children, who are more likely to be involved in low-speed accidents.

    As I said, there's a host of information if you care to look, but it's not going to change anyone's mind on here.
     
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  9. Edelman

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    I certainly think they could be more robust that's for sure !
     
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  10. Edelman

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    Take airbags out of cars ?
    Send firefighters in without protective gear ?
     
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  12. DMD

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    Remove boxing head guards, and review the impact of padding on American footballers...oh, hang on, they've done that. :emoticon-0105-wink:
     
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    Unless you're in one of the areas they've made it compulsory, or want to join in a sportive etc.
     
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  14. Amin Arrears

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    Yes. You could argue firefighters fatigue quicker carrying all that weight around, putting themselves in further danger.
     
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    The health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks by around 20:1 (one recent study put it at 77:1), it can be shown that only a very small reduction in cycle use is needed for helmet promotion (let alone helmet laws) to shorten more lives than helmets themselves could possibly save, regardless of how effective helmets might be.

    Given the extent to which the health benefits of cycling outweigh the risks involved, Cycling UK's view is that it is more important to encourage people to cycle, than whether or not they wear helmets when doing so. Cycling should be promoted as an essentially safe, normal and enjoyable transport and leisure activity, which anyone can do in whatever clothes they prefer to wear, with or without helmets.

    https://www.cyclinguk.org/campaign/cycle-helmets-evidence
     
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  16. balkan tiger

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    I don't like compulsion.
     
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    You just aren't taking this whole safety think serious are you ?.
    You're just twating around here !:emoticon-0128-hi:
     
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  18. DMD

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    Likewise, particularly when it's not based on robust evidence or there is good opposing evidence and there are consequences in other areas.

    Among many other experienced experts in the field, Chris Boardman pointed out that had a fraction of the money spent on helmets been spent on other road safety measures, the health benefits would be far, far greater than any benefits the helmets could bring, even if they were as effective as some people presume they are.
     
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  19. balkan tiger

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    Remembering my bicycling days most incidents resulted in cuts, bruises, scrapes and grazes, so it would make more sense to campaign for long trousers, jackets and gloves.
     
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    Well plenty seem to think cycle tracks are safe, and the only difference between that and the highway is the lack of cars, which clearly shows cycling is safe, it's cars that are the danger, so obviously it's cars that should be banned. That would protect motorcyclists too, as well as the environment. <ok>

    The surplus helmets could be given to pedestrians, where statistically they'd be of more need and the design makes them of more use, especially when walking home from the pub.
     
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