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The Cost of Mourinho

Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by ibodyslamrhinos, Mar 13, 2016.

  1. ibodyslamrhinos

    ibodyslamrhinos Active Member

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    I agree about not knowing what the KDB and Lukaku potential could be, but they were bought with the future in mind. They weren't given the chance at Chelsea to prove the immense talents they now are for the world to see.

    As for Hazard, that was last season. But Mourinho may have helped build him but he was the one who dismantled him again due to his own feelings about the boy. I remember a verrrrry similar thing happening with Joe Cole and Jose. (Not that Joe was necessarily as talented or injury free of course).

    As for Courtois, being a decent keeper in that lame league isn't the same as being a heroic figure in the toughest league of the world like Cech. But he is still young and has time to try and prove he is worth a place. But I think he will most likely move on for big money to another weaker league like France and he'll never be a great world class stopper.
     
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  2. Blueman

    Blueman Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I think that Courtois has the attributes to be the very best. He's not been at it this year, but who in our team has?
     
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  3. ibodyslamrhinos

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    Was tongue in cheek....

    I LOVE LOVE LOVE the level playing field, always was and always will be much happier not knowing who can win and that hopefully the dull era of Man Utd domination or usual top 4 finishers is gone!

    But I can smell the stench of a rotten egg manager a mile away. Klopp, Rafa, Mourinho, Van Gaal, even Pep (he will fall flat on his face in an actual competitive league) have nothing to offer the PL. The Ancelotti's, Pochetinos, Billics, Koemans, Dyches of this world are the ones to give time and money to in my opinion as they are leaders with natural rapports.

    I'd give the Chelsea job to JT as he pretty much runs that club and has done for 12 years or more anyway.
     
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  4. Sucky

    Sucky peoples champ & forum saviour

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    not sure what you mean in terms of managers offering nothing to the pl?

    klopp, mourinho, van gaal, pep and ancelotti have all had actual success with their previous club/s in contrast to pochetino, bilic, koeman who have had relatively little actual success in comparison.

    of course the likes of pep and moureen have had unlimited funds and/or a fantastic sides to start with but they are currently heads and shoulders above bilic/poch/koeman imo

    i dont believe the hype with poch anyway, hes done ok with spurs but until he wins something with them or keeps them in the top 4 for a few consecutive seasons then he will have my respect.
     
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  5. StanDMan

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    I never believed this until this season.
    Either sack him as player or make him as manager.
    Don't fail to do both and spoil yet another season.

    Stop slamming Rhinos & start posting more mate <ok>
     
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  6. BobbyD

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    Not sure about all this. The average age of the attack is still fairly young.

    I've been saying Hazard and Oscar have been overrated for a while now (although hazard had stormer last year) and those 2 we can still sell for a lot of money.

    The defence has been aging and it's unfortunate that Jose didn't blood in new youngsters (Zouma was but got injured). The lack of form in Matic is worrying (was he in good form before when he was a monster or is he in bad form now?) and obviously Cesc is not the WC that we all led to believe he is.

    However, he still got us a title, a title that we hadn't won in 5 years prior to ancellotti so whatever you say thats a big achievement. Yes lukaku is scoring a lot of goals but has he actually done much of note considering the team is built around his talents. From what i can see his touch is still a bit off and he still misses a lot of sitters (maybe i'm being influenced by astro). i much prefer Costa minus his antics but unfortunately he is more injury prone.

    Definitely a big mistake in getting rid of KDB but i agree with getting rid of Mata even though he was one of my favourite players (even got to meet him). He's a luxury player who needs a team built round him. He might just shade it ahead of fabregas but in all honesty, both of them are flat track bullies and not good enough in the big games.

    As for Courtois i quite like him. Pretty solid in general but he has made howlers this year. I still think he will be right up there though and name me a keeper who hasn't made mistakes. Even Petr was making a few in his last seasons with us. In the long run this is the right decision like when we promoted Petr above Cudicini.

    What the op hasn't mentioned is Jose bought in Zouma who was looking good before his injury and he bought in Willian who is really living up to his potential.

    Personally think the biggest mistake was getting rid of Felipe Luis who i really rated. Then we could have put Dave right back as i've been saying Ivan has been going downhill for a few seasons now (goals and assists masked his defensive liability last year)
     
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    Great post.... just going to give some of my opinions.On Mata feel i agree although
    Jose said he preferred Oscar in that roll and we did get good money for Mata.
    I rate KDB and Lukaku but feel they both wanted guaranteed starts which Jose
    would not agree with.Not sure about Courtois yet,but would have kept Cech for another
    season.Hazard had his head turned at the end of last season and wants out and the
    sooner he goes the better.
     
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  8. StanDMan

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    I agree with all of you. Last season, there were competitions for each position. Not so much this season.

    Last season.
    Matic had the fear - Luis, Zouma could take up his position.
    Dave had the fear - Luis could take up his position.
    Ivan had the fear - Dave could take up his position.
    Thibo had the fear - Cech could take up his position.

    This season
    Matic has nobody to fear (not Mikel never will)
    Dave has nobody to fear (Baba needs to prove)
    Ivan has nobody to fear (Dave is busy minding LB)
    Thibo has nobody to fear (Begovic needs to prove)
     
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  9. King Ossie64

    King Ossie64 Well-Known Member

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    Indeed he is, straight out the Dandy 'Desperate Stan'.
     
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  10. King Ossie64

    King Ossie64 Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately Stan de man has a Mikel phobia almost as big as his conspiracy theory regarding Jose but facts prove he was Chelsea's best ever manager.
     
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  11. The Ides of March

    The Ides of March Well-Known Member

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    Well seeing your youth teams are very dominant and have been for a number of years, the club could save itself a fortune by forwarding a few more into the first team squad. I notice Kenedy, Loftus-Cheek and Traore have been given game time. It would be good if these guys could become automatic choices. Going back almost two decades didn't AF throw in the youngsters soon after the retirement of Cantona and they went on to win the League. Could your crop do the same with the addition of two or three prudent signings??
     
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  12. StanDMan

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    <doh>

    No body argued who the best ever manager for PL let alone Chelsea.
    But my point is he is like the BEST ex girl friend who didn't want to be with you. End of story.
     
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  13. King Ossie64

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    In your dreams stan
     
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  14. Treble

    Treble Keyser Söze

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    Thank fck I'm not a chav, really dont get how shallow you fckin lot are. Your greatest ever manager and you lot hounded him out like a tramp and now you're slating him.

    Can't think of anywhere else that's done that to a club legend. No wonder everyone has contempt for your club and fanbase.
     
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  15. armchairblue

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    How did we hound him out?... And who gives a **** about what you think,anyway
    our loss will probably be your gain unless LVG ****s a miracle.
     
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  16. george the blue

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    who hounded him out? i wanted him to stay on and change, he refused, so results warranted his loss.

    if i knew guus would come and largley pay the same tactics id have rathered he stayed on.

    jose did it to himself, really. he didnt TRY to get sacked (stan) but his infexibility caused massive probems this season, and i dont think hed be the one to build a dynasty with as the evidence of this season shows
     
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    Blueman Well-Known Member

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    I for one wanted him to stay. You have contempt for us, so what? **** all to do with you.
     
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  18. Super_Chelsea_Blue_Boys

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    Shallow? When did you start supporting United? The team widely regarded with the support of the prawn sarnie munched brigade! There is not one Chelsea fan out there who wanted him to leave.
     
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  19. Blueman

    Blueman Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. <applause>
     
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