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Discussion in 'Hull City' started by South West 'Ulltra, Jan 6, 2015.

  1. The Omega Man

    The Omega Man Well-Known Member

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    He was found guilty of the crime and that is the point. As they often say in prison dramas "everyone in here says they are innocent". Why believe him when a jury didn't?
     
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  2. Obadiah

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    The lad she bumped into and shagged her was found not guilty. At the time MacDonald bumped into her Evans and him had separated. Evans got a text, lied to the porter to get into the room and then shagged her. The jury saw enough evidence to acquit MacDonald and find Evans guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If you are going to suggest, and be believed, that the conviction wasn't beyond reasonable doubt then you should at least get the facts right.
     
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  3. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Not footballers. And Evans - Unless he proves his innocence. He is only out on licence and could be sent back at anytime if he breaks his conditions of licence.

    Also, as an example of other professions - ie. Police - Doctors - Lawyers dont get 2nd chances when they get struck off.
     
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  4. Party Hull!

    Party Hull! Well-Known Member

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    The audacity of women with opinions.

    You'd think this was a fair society.
     
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  5. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

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    He could have helped himself a lot, by at least trying to get his supporters to back off now he's out.
     
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  6. Obadiah

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    But what did the video taken when she was in the hotel room show? Why did MacDonald leave the curtains open when he was shagging her and then close the curtains when Evans got there?
     
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  7. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Role models? If I was looking for a role model for my kids there's not many footballers who'd fit the bill mate.

    It boils down to jealously, faux piousness and vindictiveness why there's such an outcry over this lad.

    There's worse than him plying their trade in the game.
     
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  8. HCAFC (Airlie Tiger)

    HCAFC (Airlie Tiger) Well-Known Member

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    He's not a policeman, doctor or lawyer though. He's a footballer and the law says he can work as one whilst he's on remand.
     
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  9. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    Indeed. lol.
     
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  10. Charon

    Charon Well-Known Member

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    what a stupid thing to say - why should he be banned from football - does that mean he can have any other job except football - what about rugby - if he's out then he should be free to have any job that he can get - not hounded out by a lynch mob - maybe those people who sign the petitions against him should contribute to his lost earnings as I dont see why I should pay his ****ing benefits if he doesn't get a job
     
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  11. The FRENCH TICKLER

    The FRENCH TICKLER Well-Known Member

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    Unless Evans proves his innocence then he stays as a convicted rapist.

    So that means he should not be allowed to play football again in this country, imo.
     
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  12. UnitedinRed

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    Recently a story emerged of a young african american who was convicted about a century ago of brutally murdering two young girls.

    His conviction was overturned last year.

    Being convicted doesn't automatically equal guilt.
     
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  13. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    Seems rather a waste of time having the faff about with Courts at all really.
     
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  14. The Omega Man

    The Omega Man Well-Known Member

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    I served with a lad who was convicted of rape.
    A bunch of us were drinking in a nightclub and he left early with a girl. Drinking and driving was not as much of an issue then as it is now and he took her to his car in the car park and shagged her. She walked back to the nightclub and her Dad was waiting outside. He asked why she was already outside and she said she had been raped. The doorman gave evidence that the girl was a regular at the club and had been caught having sex in the toilets several times. She said that she had said "no" and he had carried on. Two years and kicked out of the Army. I always felt sorry for him I was wrong.
     
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  15. UnitedinRed

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    Seems like a bit of a stupid thing to say.

    You clearly missed the point. This case clearly isn't as cut and dry as some may think.
     
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  16. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    Being convicted in a court of law doesn't make you definitively guilty as charged.

    See the Birmingham 6 for further details.

    Jury convictions are merely collective subjective opinion with numerous variables that affect the decision, from the quality of the Barristers on both sides, to 'gut feeling'.
     
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  17. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    Aye, them judges, legal types and expert witnesses, what do they know eh?
     
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  18. UnitedinRed

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    Gut feeling played a huge part here.
     
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  19. DMD

    DMD Eh? Forum Moderator

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    They get one wrong, they must have got them all wrong. Men in frocks and wigs, what's that all about eh?
     
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  20. UnitedinRed

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    You would have a point if the conviction rates were 100% correct.

    Thing is they are not.

     
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