Whilst in practice this is not the way to do things there are a great many of us who "think" the same course of action would be the answer.... the terrorism aspect is always there, any one or more, and it is a fact proven after the Paris affair, could be intent on causing serious problems with the tunnel or port. it is one thing a train catching fire in the tunnel but would be another if the train was subject to a bomb... it would close it for month's, even more than a year the ferries, in my past years, 2002 2013 I travelled a lot to the continent, 80,000 plus miles using the cover of a job to explore mostly the Pyrenees Alps France ,Austria Italy S Germany Slovenia and N spain, and so have travelled on all ferries all decks ... Lorries are loaded in the bottom of them and so tight you can just about move around them! A terrorist attack by hidden people on lorry's would be devastating... albeit each deck is "sealed" certainly I would be in favour of offenders being classed as terrorists
Devolution of significant powers from member states to a central point (Brussels) Many european countries on the verge of bankruptcy (Greece have been told that in order to receive future bailouts they would have to accept financial controls from outside, european central bank) Open border policies allowing migration leading to the breaking down of national identities and cultures. Its happening in this country eg. sharia law being allowed and will no doubt spread through the Uk. These things are happening now and to disagree with them is to be branded a racist.
may I ask the why the link to MTG comment is used to launch the above thread? Which in itself is fragmented, being a series of previously stated and in the main agreed statements and somehow, which is totally unclear used to launch a statement about being racist .I can see no link however hard I try to find just a tenuous point .. off to see PMQT ..
What might happen in Calais does not remotely compare with what happened on a Tunisian beach or in Paris and I do not hear a real public outcry that something must be done about ISIS. Yes we chucked a few more planes at the problem but nothing fundamental. Most people I think realise that this phenomenon is not something we in the UK can do something about alone. It is a world problem and at the moment all we can do is minimise the risk. Of course they are not reasonable people they are desperate. Thank god we are an island.
These 'asylum seekers' could claim asylum in France but they don't. I hope the French Police give it to these so called 'asylum seekers' big time. The more charity you give these chancers the more aggressive they become. Makes my blood boil when I see what our lorry drivers have to put up with. Wipe the bas***rds out before one of 'ours' doing an honest job of work gets killed. 'Thank god we are an island', however staying in the EU with uncontrolled borders is undoubtedly a disaster waiting to happen. The debt figures above, do they include mortgages ? If they do, I'm surprised we're not top.
People being killed by IS or by a mob of aggressive migrants is still being killed for no good reason other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, whether that's taking a holiday or going about your job. Does it make it less important because of the numbers involved or because the location ? We can't do anything about the situation alone, but we are funding the French Government to help pay for and control the situation in Calais to the tune of £4m a year ! 'They are desperate' - For what exactly ? For a Job ? - I very much doubt it. For food ? - No. No one is starving in Calais. There are plenty of do gooders that ensure no one there is hungry. For an easy life ? Where they can do as they please, not have to work or contribute in any way to a different society that they'll probably despise anyway, and get money, a house, and free handouts in the UK Yes absolutely, but that's all they are desperate for. It's called the Gravy Train.
TO GET A COMPARISON YOU HAVE TO COMPARE LIKE FOR LIKE and that table doesn't. it does include all debt even mortgages .. however Germany they tend to "rent as opposed to buy" they also spend a very high percentage of their wage for pensions .... and set aside a large percentage of income for their holidays ... what the table does not show is relativity to earnings ... which makes the table worth as much as a defeat to BRIGHTON ... IN 2009 I was in Slovenia and got talking with a lake boatman on wages and earnings . its changed now I know but then I was TALKING WEEKLY and he was talking monthly and we were 1.5x better off than him and then the penny dropped! === we earned 5-6 times more a week .... and a 4 bed house in >1/4 acre was about £40,000! his house equivalent to the chicken coups we pass off as thre bed with a carpark space and back garden where 6 is a crowd was <£15,000 ... probably treble all that now?
SORRY ANGELIC wrong, please delete the word good .....by a mob of aggressive migrants is still being killed for no good reason Spot on
An extract from an analysis of the Calais situation by the BBC. Depends on which paragraph people choose to place the greatest emphasis on. My point has always been that we as a nation as far less exposed to the problem than others "Many want to claim asylum in the UK. Others want to enter the country incognito to remain as illegal workers. Natacha Bouchart, Mayor of Calais, has said illegal migrants perceive Britain as a "soft touch" for benefits, and a better place to find jobs in the black economy than France - although studies do not necessarily back up this view. The British Red Cross said most migrants wanted to make the move because they believed there was a better prospect of finding work in the UK, or because they speak English and want to use the language. Others have relatives in the UK, or are drawn by a belief that there is better housing and education available. The UK is certainly not alone as a target destination. According to the EU's statistics body Eurostat, Germany saw the most non-EU asylum seekers in 2014 - almost 203,000 - followed by Sweden, Italy, France, Hungary, and then the UK"
JGF.These figures relate to public debt i.e. owed by the government and public sector bodies. They do not include household debt. That is a separate matter and I believe per capita we have the fourth highest in the world and yes that is right we do prefer to buy rather than rent but who's got it right
Thanks for the birthday wishes banksy but only slightly early as the grand occasion is tomorrow. Bloody hell I've just remembered I will be 72 so I had better get on with whatever it was I was going to do today. See what I mean?
it is incorrect insomuch as the table is, actually at closer look reference to howmuch per capita the national debt is ... a recent table published elsewhere stated average personal debt per capita was pretty close to this figure but in £'s. 2015 national debt figures have worst = Greece, Italy, Portugal, Ireland and Belgium 5th...
http://www.debt-clock.org/ Government debt http://themoneycharity.org.uk/media/March-2016-Money-Statistics1.pdf Personal debt We are heading for another crisis
