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Off Topic The Brexit Poll

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How will you vote?

Poll closed Jun 26, 2016.
  1. Remain in Europe

    33 vote(s)
    42.3%
  2. Leave Europe

    45 vote(s)
    57.7%
  1. Rum & Black for 2

    Rum & Black for 2 Champion’s League Prediction League Champion
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    Sorry to disagree

    :emoticon-0110-tongu

    but they didn't.

    As far as I can recall no such promises were ever made before or after the First Referendum for Scotland. Promises were made but not about the EU.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29213418

    Also if it had Sturgeon would have mentioned it by now and all she appears to be saying is that it would be 'democratically indefensible' for Scotland to be taken out of EU against its will. So much for democracy but I suppose her party's name is a bit of a give away as to her real intention.
     
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  2. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    Apologies, it may not have been part of the letter. However, the promises were made and they were referred to in her speech that she made on Friday morning. The Scottish voters were appealed to to vote IN as it was the only way to guarantee staying in the EU. I can't find a link to the full speech she made on Friday morning. I'll look though.

    Edit: Her full speech http://stv.tv/news/politics/1358534-nicola-sturgeon-speech-in-full-after-eu-referendum-result/
     
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  3. Rum & Black for 2

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    For me the key parts of her speech are

    1. Her claim that many people voted to stay in the UK to stay in the EU.
    2. That it was the SNP Manifesto stating a right to have a further "once in a lifetime" referendum on any material changes.

    No promises to Scotland were made by Westminster et al in relation to a second referendum it is just Sturgeon and Co twisting for a further referendum because they lost the one they expected to win.

    I have no time for the woman as to me she comes across as a self serving, manipulative and devisive politician who really only has one item on her agenda and will constantly pursue that regardless of the facts.

    I think this is one that we'll just have to agree to disagree on.

    As an aside it doesn't surprise me she talks of talking with Sadiq Khan as again in my view he is made from the same cloth. Talks about London staying in the EU, really? Neither seem to understand how democracy works.
     
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  4. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    I don't think it will happen, mainly because I think the EU members will be so disillusioned with anything they consider British at the minute. That said, I wouldn't be shocked if I was wrong either. No matter what side of the argument any of us are on, I don't think any of us have any idea how far reaching this vote will be and the changes that will be made. All the usual rules are out the window now.
     
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  5. Albert's Chip Shop

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    Anyone fancy a cuddle?
    I'm puss bored of all this political ****.
     
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  6. haslam

    haslam Well-Known Member

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    Oh my god, they slipped that one in.
     
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  7. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    <laugh>

    Still haven't caught up on my sleep from Thursday night!
     
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  8. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    Due to a new bathroom I didn't have a shower for 5 days, broken sleep and then spent most of Thursday and Friday red bulled out my brain on a mass referendum binge. When heavenly hot water touched my skin this morning I nearly passed out with delirium.
     
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  9. Joelinton's Right Foot

    Joelinton's Right Foot Worth Every Penny

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    So you really did have a rancid sack??? :emoticon-0104-surpr
     
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  10. Captainchaos.

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    Nigel farage is a racist bigot
     
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  11. Captainchaos.

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    Garden hose pipe
     
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  12. Rafa's Championship Party

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    Type Farage into twitter and eventually you will see a tweet from 17th June 2016 suggesting that in 1981 Nigel Farage's college had concerns about him being a racist.
     
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  13. Albert's Chip Shop

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    That's nowt. Cameron was offensive to Muslims for sticking his cock and balls in the mouth of a dead pig :1980_boogie_down:
     
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  14. rooch 3

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    No problem mate anything to make you happy.<ok>
     
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  15. General Lee Speaking

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    Sounds like Boris will be going for a "Norway style" free trade/free movement of labour deal with the EU. A "Brexit Light" if you will:

    "I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be.

    "There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment.

    "EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

    "British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down. As the German equivalent of the CBI - the BDI - has very sensibly reminded us, there will continue to be free trade, and access to the single market."

    "The only change - and it will not come in any great rush - is that the UK will extricate itself from the EU's extraordinary and opaque system of legislation: the vast and growing corpus of law enacted by a European Court of Justice from which there can be no appeal."


    I can only imagine that will leave a lot of Leave voters feeling a bit miffed after the promises of controlling EU immigration numbers, since free trade will mean free movement of labour.
     
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  16. Lord Jonjomort

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    Utterly predictable. The thing is these head scratching neanderthals that make up Britain are the problem, they shouldn't be the ones voting on a solution. The inherent cash-for-breeding Blair helped out with, the broken education system where you either school up to be a lawyer/doctor or fck off to "college"/Tesco's, the entitlement system that's been bred for decades, the sheer laziness, ignorance and stupidity of British and particularly English people. Examples are rife - just one micro example, the thousands upon thousands who depend on the Nissan factory are about to be jobless. The cuts to benefits that will immediately happen - as both solution and punishment for those that voted out - won't be there when they lose that job. I don't need a YouGov poll to tell me how Sunderland voted.

    It's frightening - I spent all of 10 minutes listening to a phone in this morning on the subject of "how do we fix a divided Britain".

    Caller 1 - "I'm black, from Solihull, and I voted for POLITICAL not RACIST reasons." She went on to rant about - quite possibly made up - things that had happened to her as if it was LA c.1989. The host then says "so you voted in?". "No" she said "I voted out". Stunned silence. "Erm, why?". "I already said for POLITICAL reasons"....starts ranting about racism being rife in Solihull again...."what Political reasons though?". "Well, you know...erm...stiff upper lip, we've lost our moral values...."

    "Next up is <some idiot> from <somewhere>. Caller, how do we fix a divided Britain?"

    Caller 2 - "Ooooh, god bless. I don't know."

    I turned the radio off.

    Where is fcking Boris and Farage and Gove now? Where's the Govt contingency plan? All this vote has revealed is two things most of the moderately intelligent already know:

    1. British people are thick, ignorant and lazy.
    2. British leaders/politicians are incompetent, inadequate and broken.
     
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  17. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    Well knock me down with a feather, who would have believed all this backtracking would happen immediately after the vote. Er the 350m won't be going to the NHS. Er freedom of movement will continue. So what promise do they intend to keep. Ah good old sovereignty - we'll claim back our laws and then hope everyone has forgotten what we were supposed to do when we did, by the time we have.

    This is why Cameron has moreorless said “I don’t believe in this stuff so why should I do it?”. He has basically said **** this for a game of soldiers I'm not carrying the can for this pack of lies you've sold them. To be honest I can't really blame him. It needs to be a Brexiter.

    Some have said this was all just a ploy to get Boris a go at running the country, inserted into power for four years for the conservatives in power without an election and arranged amongst the good old school chums. i.e. Cameron/Boris were all in on it. Or Cameron was just ****ed over and it had been planned for years, cleverly using the EU question to achieve it. You do begin to wonder <laugh>

    The Sun are focusing on what's important though https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13438...n-try-to-claim-sovereignty-after-brexit-vote/

    Yeah you greedy Spanish are getting **** all - did they really just describe an entire nation as greedy? <laugh><laugh><laugh> I mean they pretty much confirm its a nothing story further down.

    "Navy insiders insisted the visit was long planned and “routine” but conceded the timing was “interesting.”

    It is unknown if HMS Ambush is resupplying before a mission in the Mediterranean of is she and her 100 strong crew are heading home from a secret mission.

    UK overseas territory Gibraltar is a major staging post for military operations globally."


    Does anyone actually give a **** about the real implications of our decision? We are being told there was no plan for us leaving now. Exactly as feared. Its like "don't worry chaps we'll muddle our way through this, I'm sure it will be fine"
     
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  18. Beardsley's Rancid Sack

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    He really isn't.
     
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  19. Lord Jonjomort

    Lord Jonjomort Well-Known Member

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    The worst thing is if WE can see how fcked up it is, how little of a clue we as an entire country have, you can bet your bottom euro that the rest of the World can as well.

    We've scheduled a vote and "planned" for only one outcome. This country is utterly, completely fcked. Governed by the dumb and lived in by the dumber. Political parties spend endless £££'s working out how to convince a bunch of morons to vote for them. Then get voted in. Then start again. There's now a class of society endlessly sapping resources of all kinds, be it money, votes, mindshare, housing, school places, whatever. We have allowed an entire sub-culture to breed and thrive, simultaneously making wider education harder, trimming blue-collar capabilities from tech colleges. We worked a system where universities get more money to bring in more kids on useless/pointless degrees, pi$$ about with exams making them easier again to hit government targets. You know what? I'm bored, I could go on for absolutely ever across over-population, weaker public services, tax hikes, NHS failures, and so on. The common theme is this - NOT ONE OF THE THINGS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY HAS THE SLIGHTEST THING TO DO WITH THE FCKING GODDAM EU!!!!!
     
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  20. Albert's Chip Shop

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    I blame Pardew.
     
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