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Good Morning Everyone,

No football for Leeds this weekend, we have to wait until Monday when Leeds travel down to the south coast to play Brighton. (Its a great place for a weekend away btw)

With Coyle ready to be bloodied into the starting line up on a regular basis, what do we do with Berardi?

He has been one of our finest players this season. Do we rotate, or do we try to fit a square peg in a round hole?

We know Berardi can play left back but Charlie Taylor happens to be one of the few other outstanding performers for us this season.

What is Berardi like going forward?

Can he play on the wing?



Leeds performances on and off the field over the last 10 years have been nothing to write about....hang on <doh> Let me rephrase that.....

Leeds performances on and off the field in the past 10 years have been something of a soap opera. Not a Dallas or Dynasty, more of an Elderado, and in true Leeds fashion, if it can go wrong.....

My question is :

Leeds are on a stable footing with little to no chance of relegation.

We can string a pass together.

There is harmony in the dressing room

We only sell a star player if the offer is too good to turn down or his contract is coming to an end.

Our owner albeit a madman, has ploughed millions more into the club than GFH and Bates together and has the club on a stable footing without going into debt, which has not happened in years and years.


So why the protests?

Why the banners?

Why are people staying away in their droves?

Why the negativity?

WHY NOW?


Have the Leeds fans just had enough, and Cellino is the fall guy?

Is Cellino a manipulative, double crossing, SOB Eyetie that cannot be trusted?

Is it a combination of both?

Is it none of the above?


Can a business like Leeds Utd be run where the majority of fans are happy, and the club stays in the black?
 
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Morning.

At risk of upsetting certain posters and have them going off on one again!

Where is the proof that Cellino has invested all this money. The club is bang leveraged agains deny ( been here before remember). From here the transfer fees received keep disappearing, the replacement incoming players are second rate cheap ****e. We have pie tix. 12+ cat A games! Our own fans segregated and a pathlgical proven liar in charge. If bates had pulled the stunts Cellino has some here that are in his pocket would be leading the lynch mob.

Yet again we are been told the finances are sound and it's going to be different in the summer.. Who here really believes it?

But the thing that really matters.... The team are playing the worst style of negative football ever seen by a Leeds team and our coach seems to think we are playing like Barca. It's not worth the money or effort going to watch what is being served up... Its not the results it's the lack of entertainment and feel good factor.
 
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chippy / glory said:
Morning.

At risk of upsetting certain posters and have them going off on one of them again.

Where is the proof that Cellino has invested all this money. From here the transfer fees received keep disappearing, the replacement incoming players are second rate cheap ****e. We have pie tix. 12+ cat A games! Our own fans segregate and a pathlgical proven liar in charge. Yet again we are been told the finances are sound and it's going to be different in the summer.. Who here really believes it?

But the thing that really matters.... The team are playing the worst style of negative football ever seen by a Leeds team and our coach seems to think we are playing like Barca. It's not worth the money or effort going to watch what is being served up... Int not the results it's the lack of entertainment and feel good factor.
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Morning Glory, its all about opinion at the end of the day.

It would make it a very boring board if we all thought the same.

Some posters are going to be more passionate than others, and its easy to get lost in the moment.

Moving on to your point about second rate players.

Lets go back 3 or 4 years (have to start somewhere...)

Kenny
Pelts
Drury
Lees
Pearce
Kissa
Green
Austin
Moro
Varney
Ashdown
White
Warnock
Brown
Tonge
Norris
Dioff
Habibou
Thompson
Byram
Poleon
Somma
Lenighan
Hall
Dawson
Cairns
McCormack
Becchio
Bromby
Taylor.

Out of those Taylor had not broken through the first team and Byram had just started.

I can only think of McCormack that I would have compared to the squad we have now.

We also need to judge Lees on his performances in 2011/12 not what he is doing today?

Surely we are wholeheartedly stronger now?
 
Morning all. I regularly work down Brighton but as I am in Edinburgh still I think she will kill me if I treat myself Monday. El, I think as leeds fans we deserve more. A few are prepared to settle For where we are, I for one am not.
 
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Morning all...

Fans are staying away because they want to pay money to see good football and a team play that is challenging for promotion.

Win lose or draw, results go your way or against you it doesn't really matter.

Evans said the target is to reach 10th. Big deal, hardly exciting if we reach it, 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17 who really cares?

We all know that if we go into next season as we are it is nailed on, pretty much more of the same.

I would imagine the majority of fans want the season over as we search for a glimmer of hope in who might be joining us.
 
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bucks_is_leeds said:
Morning all. I regularly work down Brighton but as I am in Edinburgh still I think she will kill me if I treat myself Monday. El, I think as leeds fans we deserve more. A few are prepared to settle For where we are, I for one am not.
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Morning Bucks, so my question to you is Why now?
 
ellandback said:
Morning Glory, its all about opinion at the end of the day.

It would make it a very boring board if we all thought the same.

Some posters are going to be more passionate than others, and its easy to get lost in the moment.

Moving on to your point about second rate players.

Lets go back 3 or 4 years (have to start somewhere...)

Kenny
Pelts
Drury
Lees
Pearce
Kissa
Green
Austin
Moro
Varney
Ashdown
White
Warnock
Brown
Tonge
Norris
Dioff
Habibou
Thompson
Byram
Poleon
Somma
Lenighan
Hall
Dawson
Cairns
McCormack
Becchio
Bromby
Taylor.

Out of those Taylor had not broken through the first team and Byram had just started.

I can only think of McCormack that I would have compared to the squad we have now.

We also need to judge Lees on his performances in 2011/12 not what he is doing today?

Surely we are wholeheartedly stronger now?
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Disagree
Warnock would walk into our team if it was based on quality
Tom Lees was wrecked by Warnock he is quality and Colin was to blame
A fit Kenny was a better all round keeper than silvestri is
Brown and Austin would get into our team every week on merit
Moro is no more ****e than Doukara and the disinterested Antenucc
Bechio was a better striker than wood will ever be

Oh and Donut is 1000 times a better coach than Evans.... Let's not get carried away though, we were poor then but are worse now.
 
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ristac said:
Morning all...

Fans are staying away because they want to pay money to see good football and a team play that is challenging for promotion.

Win lose or draw, results go your way or against you it doesn't really matter.

Evans said the target is to reach 10th. Big deal, hardly exciting if we reach it, 10/11/12/13/14/15/16/17 who really cares?

We all know that if we go into next season as we are it is nailed on, pretty much more of the same.

I would imagine the majority of fans want the season over as we search for a glimmer of hope in who might be joining us.
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Morning ristac, interesting point. :emoticon-0126-nerd:

If we were playing good flowing football, but were still a mid table side fans would come back?
 
ellandback said:
Morning Glory, its all about opinion at the end of the day.

It would make it a very boring board if we all thought the same.

Some posters are going to be more passionate than others, and its easy to get lost in the moment.

Moving on to your point about second rate players.

Lets go back 3 or 4 years (have to start somewhere...)

Kenny
Pelts
Drury
Lees
Pearce
Kissa
Green
Austin
Moro
Varney
Ashdown
White
Warnock
Brown
Tonge
Norris
Dioff
Habibou
Thompson
Byram
Poleon
Somma
Lenighan
Hall
Dawson
Cairns
McCormack
Becchio
Bromby
Taylor.

Out of those Taylor had not broken through the first team and Byram had just started.

I can only think of McCormack that I would have compared to the squad we have now.

We also need to judge Lees on his performances in 2011/12 not what he is doing today?

Surely we are wholeheartedly stronger now?
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Without two of those players, Becchio and McCormack we would have surely been relegated or in far greater danger of so when we sold them both we had to improve to remain in this division and we have.

There is improving slightly to survive the Championship and there is improving significantly to mount a promotion challenge.
 
chippy / glory said:
Disagree
Warnock would walk into our team if it was based on quality
Tom Lees was wrecked by Warnock he is quality and Colin was to blame
A fit Kenny was a better all round keeper than silvestri is
Brown and Austin would get into our team every week on merit
Moro is no more ****e than Doukara and the disinterested Antenucc
Bechio was a better striker than wood will ever be

Oh and Donut is 1000 times a better coach than Evans.... Let's get carried away though, we were poor then but are worse now.
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You saw them play each week!

Do others agree?
 
ristac said:
Without two of those players, Becchio and McCormack we would have surely been relegated or in far greater danger of so when we sold them both we had to improve to remain in this division and we have.

There is improving slightly to survive the Championship and there is improving significantly to mount a promotion challenge.
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Ok, if the 2011/12 team / squad were to play todays team / squad, if all the players were fit, who would win?
 
ellandback said:
Would you go back?
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Probably not whilst Cellino is still here now. Too much water under the bridge.

But if we had seen more than two or three good performances in the last three years the two season tickets would have been renewed and the disillusionment wouldn't have had chance to take hold.....
Now I am not part of it something has to improve before I go back.... And I don't mean we have to be winning every game, but we at least have to look like we might be able to, and more importantly like we want to. Evans negativity is a problem!
 
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Good Morning Everyone,

No football for Leeds this weekend, we have to wait until Monday when Leeds travel down to the south coast to play Brighton. (Its a great place for a weekend away btw)

With Coyle ready to be bloodied into the starting line up on a regular basis, what do we do with Berardi?

He has been one of our finest players this season. Do we rotate, or do we try to fit a square peg in a round hole?

We know Berardi can play left back but Charlie Taylor happens to be one of the few other outstanding performers for us this season.

What is Berardi like going forward?

Can he play on the wing?



Leeds performances on and off the field over the last 10 years have been nothing to write about....hang on <doh> Let me rephrase that.....

Leeds performances on and off the field in the past 10 years have been something of a soap opera. Not a Dallas or Dynasty, more of an Elderado, and in true Leeds fashion, if it can go wrong.....

My question is :

Leeds are on a stable footing with little to no chance of relegation.

We can string a pass together.

There is harmony in the dressing room

We only sell a star player if the offer is too good to turn down or his contract is coming to an end.

Our owner albeit a madman, has ploughed millions more into the club than GFH and Bates together and has the club on a stable footing without going into debt, which has not happened in years and years.

On crowds, they'll return once we start winning and being more entertaining


So why the protests?

Why the banners?

Why are people staying away in their droves?

Why the negativity?

WHY NOW?


Have the Leeds fans just had enough, and Cellino is the fall guy?

Is Cellino a manipulative, double crossing, SOB Eyetie that cannot be trusted?

Is it a combination of both?

Is it none of the above?


Can a business like Leeds Utd be run where the majority of fans are happy, and the club stays in the black?
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Morning Elland. The season is coming to an end, and our chances of making top 6 aren't looking good. So Evans needs to decide who of our current squad will still be here next season. To that end, I would get Beradi back in, as much to ensure Coyle isn't washed out before he fully competes for the RB slot.

On Cellino, I think he's trying to bring success to the club, but he's not going to take the "Living the Dream" inflated salaries/transfers route that nearly bankrupted the club a while ago. He could, however, do with someone to manage his PR, which isn't great.
 
BoggersMOT said:
On Cellino, I think he's trying to bring success to the club, but he's not going to take the "Living the Dream" inflated salaries/transfers route that nearly bankrupted the club a while ago. He could, however, do with someone to manage his PR, which isn't great.
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That's a bloody big task.
Goebells isn't available to take it on. <laugh>
 
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Morning Elland. The season is coming to an end, and our chances of making top 6 aren't looking good. So Evans needs to decide who of our current squad will still be here next season. To that end, I would get Beradi back in, as much to ensure Coyle isn't washed out before he fully competes for the RB slot.

On Cellino, I think he's trying to bring success to the club, but he's not going to take the "Living the Dream" inflated salaries/transfers route that nearly bankrupted the club a while ago. He could, however, do with someone to manage his PR, which isn't great.
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Wotzup Boggers!
'Chances of top 6 aren't looking good'??

I'd go as far as to say if we get into the top six this season I'd let Glory do unspeakable things to me' <yikes>

Good shout regarding Coyle / Berardi. Byram was washed out in his second season.

Yes, offer Pearson 2m per year to come back, and I'll tell you what everything would improve.
 
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