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What do Forest Green think of Hockaday going to Leeds.

Well, lets find out.


''DH is favorite for the Leeds United job. Hahaha''

''Gasted and flabbered don't come close. I can honestly see hell freezing over before this happens.''

''He did always have the Gift of the Gab."

''I'm buggered! It's June 1st tomorrow, not first April.''

''It's certainly going to put DH in the spotlight if he gets that job, and unless he's learnt and altered his management style drastically from his time here it wont be long before he comes under massive pressure. Leeds fans wont be as patient as our fans were, that's for sure.''

''When you actually look at the long list of potential managers suggested, they are the usual names that come up for every top flight job eg West Brom, Norwich etc. so not unusual there, but why DH suddenly on this list? Perhaps someone who now works for Leeds saw the good work DH actually did at youth + academy level and is suggesting him on the strength of that. He has good coaching credentials + that cannot be argued with. + they may see 4 years as FGR manager as a good training ground!''

''Certainly an interesting development. Maybe Leeds want to start from the youth end in developing their team and DH will be good at that. Whether he has the all round managerial skills to manage successfully at League 2 or Championship level I don't know but he was better than most on here thought IMO and I hope that he gets the job.''

''Interesting. And surprising. But. He has a plan which didn't work out here. The main problem was ball retention. Too many mistakes from our players with the greatest of respect to them. A championship squad would be a different proposition. No doubt David has learnt a lot from his first managerial position. Good luck. Leeds or no Leeds.''

''Hopefully DH will go on to achieving bigger and better things, and in doing so, will cause a few people on here to eat their words.''

''May God have mercy on Leeds fans. Cellino is obviously after a puppet but this is such an insane move that the only hope for Leeds is that it is so bad, it's actually gone full circle and is good. On the other hand he could end up strung up from the statue of Billy Bremner outside Elland Road within weeks. Leeds fans not exactly noted for their patience and tolerance.''

''He'll need to have learned from the mistakes he made here if he's got any chance of keeping that job until Christmas, Leeds fans wont be patient and nor will Cellino looking at his track record with managers. The problem is i'm not sure if DH actually realises where he went wrong, he certainly didn't seem to learn or change his approach during his time here.''

''Same old ... 4-3-3, sign 10 strikers on long contracts and inflated wages and finish 10th.''

''Well if he gets the job, hats off to him. Well done sir, a job most football fans could only dream of being good enough to do (or even be considered for). I wouldn't be surprised if at this level he can get the players to do what we wanted non-league (arguably) players to do... but there again I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work out as well. Obviously ultimately 99.999% of football managers fail as 99.999% seem to get the sack.''

''Leeds will expect nothing less than promotion next season. Potentially the biggest club outside the Premier League.''

''Well, if he gets the job, I wish him every success. As you know, I thought he was better than most on here thought and it seems that now another chairman after TH has been won over. Leeds manager is a tough job for lots of reasons but I think DH has the personality to cope with the early pressure and he might just get results. The Leeds result will be one of the first I will look for every Saturday if he gets it. Good luck to him even if, as is the average with managers, he only lasts 18 months.''

''To any Leeds fans that potentially might look on here all I can say is hard luck. Been watching FGR about 15 years and he is the worst manager I can remember us having. Got us relegated once and almost done it a 2nd time the season after. Fair play to him he must have an unbelievable agent''

''I understand the chairman is signing players and picking the team and just needs a coach to coach.''

''DH coached Watford to the Premier League, so this appointment maybe left field but DH ticks the boxes for what the chairman wants,''

''I am pretty much of the same opinion as man of Kent. I could see what DH was trying to achieve but with the greatest of respect to the squad, championship tactics need championship standard players. Constantly giving the ball away leading to dangerous and expensive counter attacks did not work. It may well work at Leeds. Good luck DH. If it happens tomorrow.''

Although the shock of the appointment is still felt universally, it does seem that, given the comments, Hockaday may be misunderstood and could end up becoming a good appointment by Massimo Cellino.

The general consensus seems to be the coaching provided by David Hockaday was to a very high standard, but the players he was coaching were not which, if that was the case, does Leeds fans some optimistic over their new appointment.
 
Afternoon ... what a dark, dark day for the once mighty Leeds United ... seriously, what is Cellino doing? Dave fcuking Hockaday? You couldn't make it up!! Come on man, not even York City will appoint this 56-year old talent-long-gone has-been of a coach ... he completely messed up at Forest Green with the biggest budget in the division ... couldn't get them above tenth!!

Ross McCormack ... no chance our Scottish International will stay at Leeds now, I suspect his agent will be shopping him out and Ross will be off in a flash

Supporters - this season will probably see us struggling to maintain an average gate of 15000 ... that is going to hurt Cellino more than anything else

New Signings - this "we are Leeds, players want to sign for us" rubbish doesn't cut it ... we went after Rowe and he signed for Wolves ... remember the time we tried to sign Danny Graham and he gave us the cold shoulder and signed for bloody world beaters Watford instead? Players are not lining the streets dreaming of a contract at Leeds, we are not a big pull anymore ... the first thing we need to get players remotely interested in coming here is the appointment of a damn good manager who players believe will get us promoted ... Hockaday ain't that guy

Credibility and Respect - not our club, definitely not anymore ... laughing stock for sure ... Cellino would have done better changing our shirts to red

The Squad - the players left at Leeds when the season starts will struggle to play for Hockaday ... there are serious dressing room problems coming

Hockaday - he is going to buckle under the weight of expectation at Leeds quicker than Bates grabbing a penny off the floor ... it is a complete nonsense appointment and he will be gone before Christmas ... by then we will probably be stuck firmly in the bottom three ... I want to see him on opening day at a seething Den in a white hot atmosphere where his team will have to stand tall and be counted

Stability - the one thing Cellino needed to do was start off with stability, he really needed to get his major appointment spot on ... we need a coach / manager / bus conductor who will be here at least to the end of the season as a minimum, and Hockaday won't be that man, that's for sure

Optimism - sorry, really can't find a single reason to support the appointment of a 56-year old coach who's accomplished absolutely nothing in his career ... if he was, say, a 36-year old who had maybe taken a lower division team to promotion play-offs then maybe ... this guy couldn't cut it at non-league level, and yet people think he may just be capable of stepping into one of the top ten manager jobs in the country ... Cellino is a fool, an utter fool ... if he appoints Hockaday then I have absolutely no respect left for the man ... this is a disastrous day for Leeds United, and I'm not whingeing here, I genuinely believe Cellino is making a MASSIVE error ... we are going to struggle badly, and all this talk of players being behind Cellino and wanting to play their hearts out for the club is nothing but hot air, wait until the chips are down and Hockaday needs to get a win to take us off the foot of the table
 
ellandback said:
What do Forest Green think of Hockaday going to Leeds.

Well, lets find out.


''DH is favorite for the Leeds United job. Hahaha''

''Gasted and flabbered don't come close. I can honestly see hell freezing over before this happens.''

''He did always have the Gift of the Gab."

''I'm buggered! It's June 1st tomorrow, not first April.''

''It's certainly going to put DH in the spotlight if he gets that job, and unless he's learnt and altered his management style drastically from his time here it wont be long before he comes under massive pressure. Leeds fans wont be as patient as our fans were, that's for sure.''

''When you actually look at the long list of potential managers suggested, they are the usual names that come up for every top flight job eg West Brom, Norwich etc. so not unusual there, but why DH suddenly on this list? Perhaps someone who now works for Leeds saw the good work DH actually did at youth + academy level and is suggesting him on the strength of that. He has good coaching credentials + that cannot be argued with. + they may see 4 years as FGR manager as a good training ground!''

''Certainly an interesting development. Maybe Leeds want to start from the youth end in developing their team and DH will be good at that. Whether he has the all round managerial skills to manage successfully at League 2 or Championship level I don't know but he was better than most on here thought IMO and I hope that he gets the job.''

''Interesting. And surprising. But. He has a plan which didn't work out here. The main problem was ball retention. Too many mistakes from our players with the greatest of respect to them. A championship squad would be a different proposition. No doubt David has learnt a lot from his first managerial position. Good luck. Leeds or no Leeds.''

''Hopefully DH will go on to achieving bigger and better things, and in doing so, will cause a few people on here to eat their words.''

''May God have mercy on Leeds fans. Cellino is obviously after a puppet but this is such an insane move that the only hope for Leeds is that it is so bad, it's actually gone full circle and is good. On the other hand he could end up strung up from the statue of Billy Bremner outside Elland Road within weeks. Leeds fans not exactly noted for their patience and tolerance.''

''He'll need to have learned from the mistakes he made here if he's got any chance of keeping that job until Christmas, Leeds fans wont be patient and nor will Cellino looking at his track record with managers. The problem is i'm not sure if DH actually realises where he went wrong, he certainly didn't seem to learn or change his approach during his time here.''

''Same old ... 4-3-3, sign 10 strikers on long contracts and inflated wages and finish 10th.''

''Well if he gets the job, hats off to him. Well done sir, a job most football fans could only dream of being good enough to do (or even be considered for). I wouldn't be surprised if at this level he can get the players to do what we wanted non-league (arguably) players to do... but there again I wouldn't be surprised if it doesn't work out as well. Obviously ultimately 99.999% of football managers fail as 99.999% seem to get the sack.''

''Leeds will expect nothing less than promotion next season. Potentially the biggest club outside the Premier League.''

''Well, if he gets the job, I wish him every success. As you know, I thought he was better than most on here thought and it seems that now another chairman after TH has been won over. Leeds manager is a tough job for lots of reasons but I think DH has the personality to cope with the early pressure and he might just get results. The Leeds result will be one of the first I will look for every Saturday if he gets it. Good luck to him even if, as is the average with managers, he only lasts 18 months.''

''To any Leeds fans that potentially might look on here all I can say is hard luck. Been watching FGR about 15 years and he is the worst manager I can remember us having. Got us relegated once and almost done it a 2nd time the season after. Fair play to him he must have an unbelievable agent''

''I understand the chairman is signing players and picking the team and just needs a coach to coach.''

''DH coached Watford to the Premier League, so this appointment maybe left field but DH ticks the boxes for what the chairman wants,''

''I am pretty much of the same opinion as man of Kent. I could see what DH was trying to achieve but with the greatest of respect to the squad, championship tactics need championship standard players. Constantly giving the ball away leading to dangerous and expensive counter attacks did not work. It may well work at Leeds. Good luck DH. If it happens tomorrow.''

Although the shock of the appointment is still felt universally, it does seem that, given the comments, Hockaday may be misunderstood and could end up becoming a good appointment by Massimo Cellino.

The general consensus seems to be the coaching provided by David Hockaday was to a very high standard, but the players he was coaching were not which, if that was the case, does Leeds fans some optimistic over their new appointment.
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Afternoon Elland.

Well with straw clutched firmly in hand, there are some comments in there that sound optimistic.

Was Hockaday a square peg in a round hole at FGR ? Maybe we're the square hole he's been looking for.
 
Mixed bag of comments. I would suggest if he kept trying to get guys who couldn't pass to pass, then he's not one for flexibility. Amusing that they think it will work at championship level... Obviously haven't seen us play.

All ties in with what carbone has been saying and what I've heard... Whatever happens next year, we are unlikely to see hoofball. We may be rubbish, but it will be a different rubbish than we 're used to!
 
Finding it very difficult to cope with the possibility of a poor season ahead. Maybe losing half our games, crap football, lousy signings, maybe even a few five or six nil defeats thrown in for good measure. Dont know how well cope with all that after our recent successes <doh>
 
Chaps, let's at least give Hockadoodledoo a fighting chance. He must have something about him to have been noticed as a possible Leeds coach in the first place. Time will definitely tell.
 
BoggersMOT said:
Chaps, let's at least give Hockadoodledoo a fighting chance. He must have something about him to have been noticed as a possible Leeds coach in the first place. Time will definitely tell.
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Agreed. Just hope he's not on twitter or any of these forums. Imagine starting a new job and discovering 90% of your new colleagues having a go before you'd started your first day. Certainly wouldn't make things any easier especially knowing the bulk of the people having a go dont know the first thing about the job anyway <whistle>
 
He's not in yet

Cellino might change his mind at the last minute about appointing this no hoper
 
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