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The battle for 4th

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by timmy5x, Jan 11, 2013.

  1. terrifictraore

    terrifictraore Well-Known Member

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    What , so after your good run and playing against a team with one win in eight you are claiming your happy with a point at home, and you think we expect to win tomorrow? You blues really do have a strange way of thinking.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    ignoring the bitter who so desperately wants to finish about LFC it's clouding his vision.

    4th is now 40 points from 22. so with 16 left applying a 75% points haul you get to 76 points... taking it back to 70 you get a 7 to 8 points out of 12 requirement = win 2 draw one lose one type of form every 4 games.

    we are on 31 off 21 so 17 left with 75% points haul we get to 69 points.

    so you see what i mean by it aint happening. we need to win 3 out of every 4 games just to get close...

    but here's the rub.... go win 5 in a row and co-incide that with a really bad run of games from spurs and everton (throwing a bone) and it magically truns around. this is precisely what happened in 2009 to us. we lost torres and then went and lost to middlesboro away and wigan, took 4 point sout of 12 while utd won their games and suddenly we were to ofar back and even though we got a great run going by beating them we still could not get close.

    if anyone thinks we can win 3/4 out of utd away, norwich home, city away, arsenal away.... well anythings possible... but the odds would be pretty high form the bookies.

    we are 9 points off 4th... if we are still that after those 4 games i think that would be an acheivement.
     
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  3. Justovertheline

    Justovertheline Well-Known Member

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    I didnt say I was happy with a point at home thats you putting words Into my mouth :wink: I said 4pts from 6 against the Swans ON REFLECTION aint so bad... The Swans beat you at Anfield(YOUR HOME) In the cup and before you start about you made x amount of changes they made changes aswell I suppose you were over joyed at that?

    I also said tommorow will PROBABLY be one of them meaning loads of you lot PROBABLY think you should win tommorow not you definately think you should...

    Not a strange way of thinking at all you should read posts properly before replying lol Or get help to:wink:
     
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  4. terrifictraore

    terrifictraore Well-Known Member

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    The four points from six shyte is just you trying to ease your disapointment about todays result. And what the **** are you going on about in the rest of your post, so now we don't think we are going to win we just PROBLABLY think we are going to win.

    The only thing that is probable here is that you are probably a jibbering lunatic talking shyte.
     
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  5. Foredeckdave

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    JOT now you normally display more intelligence than your compatriot Boots. But you can't take a cup game as being an indicator of a league result. If it were so then it only means that we were truly robbed at your place and there's no point in you turning up for the return <laugh>
     
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  6. Justovertheline

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    Its clear at the top of the page? I said tommorow will PROBABLY be one of them?

    Instead of ranting back read the post..
     
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  7. Justovertheline

    Justovertheline Well-Known Member

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    You drew at the Swans 0-0 then that was In the league we won there 3-0? You were robbed at our place though lol I think we'd better turn up for the return though we could get In trouble If we didn't :wink:
     
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  8. Justovertheline

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    Terrifictraore...

    Here's what I said....And lets be fair you'd know an awful lot about dropping points In games you think you should have won And tommorow will probably be one of them

    Just a tongue In cheek comment about (running deluded joke) You lot PROBABLY think you are nailed on winners tommorow...

    You strike me as a person that will just argue with anyone If they are not an LFC fan you need to lighten up a little lol

    Personally I have a feeling you lot are going to win tommorow (unfortunately lol)
     
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  9. timmy5x

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    I agree it seems a very tough task, but your calculations assume that spurs will have consistent form until the end of the season. I think there form will drop as they have a much harder run in than start to the season. Also there are several teams challenging for forth which will make it difficult for them, Everton may even help us atain 4th if they take points off spurs and arsenal.

    I think 4th this year will be around 65 points, that means we need around 2 points per game. This will be difficult for us to achieve no doubt! But it's not impossible, anyway I think we will know in 5-6 games if we're still in it!
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    over 4 games.... 2 wins 1 draw one loss thats a record of.... 8-4-4... thats all, they have 40 points from 22 games. think about this, thay are now at 12-4-6... now they were pretty bad at the start of AVB's run and yes adebayor is off for a month and defoe might get injured but everyone keeps saying nobody is consistent, so why won't spurs keep just ticking along at a decent but unspectacular rate to get 8-4-4 between now and seasons end?

    now i have to mention everton.... arsenal (who have been dire) who is to say everton will nto simply cruise along and pikc up the pieces if the spurs implosion occurs... or why can't arsenal suddenly rediscvoer how to defend and go on a run?

    Arsenal are only 3 points ahead of us.....

    so here's the thing once again.... if we take 6 points out of the next 12... playing utd away, norwich home, arsenal away, then city away... then i thin kwe've done well but to catch up we need to get 9 poiints out of it...

    in other words its far more likely we'll be battling hard to stay in contact that gaining in the next 4 and that will leave us looking at 13 games left, maybe 9-12 points down? thats a big ask.

    Sure like i said we could win 5 in a row and some of them might draw 4 and win one and that would be an 8 point turn aorund. it could happen... when did we last win 5 in a row???? (in the league)

    After last year's 69 point total i am not so sure 65points will take 4th. it;'s not unknown but its VERY low historically (as in last 10-15 years) with arsenal out of form and no push peopel might cruise thats always possible.

    i think come may and 38 games are gone we will be on 60 odd points and 4th will be 70-72 points. puts us 6th IMO.
     
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  11. timmy5x

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    You say unspectacular, but that will be better than the form they have showed so far! They have just drawn to qpr a team we easily beat although they are on a bit of a high!
    If you look at their run in its much harder than their start so I think they will drop more points. As for us we have to beat all the challengers at home and put in a good run, if we can get over 65 we've done well. No point in aiming for 6th even if it's realistic!
     
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  12. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    and qpr beat chelsea too... then we can say villa beat us and then got trashed by everyone... they will deffo drop points. i am saying lose 4 and draw 4.. so they just nee dto win half their games!

    aiming for 65 points is quite a reasonable thing to say. not a problem with that but we need to add to sturridge and hope they improve the return.

    31 from 21 extrapolated = 56points....
    bascially we would need to improve our form to be taking 2 points out of 3 (17 to go, 34 to get) or in other words 8 point sout of 12 = win 3 out of 4 or win 2 draw 2. thats form you'd expect out of a 3rd placed side.

    i can't see us doing this and like i said about 2009 (where i tracked form all year) we dropped below 9/12 target for two sets of 4 games, one befroe christmas which we recovered from and one in feb and we never recovered. i just don't see us taking that i nthe next 4 games but can see us picking up a bit against some sides that took points off of us... like villa for just one instance.

    all in all if we wanted 4th FSG should have made the signings required shouldn't they.. i think we also underperformed compared to available talent and while suarez has fired others didn't and the defense leaked... if we do amazing and recover to CL my opinion is we'll have had a good peice of luck as 3/4 teams also need to fall down.

    I'd love it but can see there is just no way its realistic.... i hope FSG are thinking hard at this point and making better funds available to the club than just our own coffers cos if they don't we will need to get a few absolute steals to compete with spurs.
     
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  13. Tobes

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    Haha I've already explained my ja history on here you stalking freak.

    Your first ever post on ja was about me & you spent a large chunk of your time on there stalking my posts & whining to the admin about my presence. Now you've seemingly decided to do the same on here, albeit you won't be backed up by piss weak (cant be arsed dealing with the complaints - confirmed) admin on here. So pack it in now, you weird old fckwit
     
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  14. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    If you want to stroke your paranoia then take it to that graveyard called the Everton board! You are a visitor here nothing more and nothing less. If you need dealing with then OUR Mods will see to it.
     
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  15. Tobes

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    What utter ****e that is. Today was a poor result for us but its a measure of where we're at at that it's viewed as such . I'd save the gloating 'til tomorrow has passed if I was you....
     
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  16. Tobes

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    Shut up soft bollocks this isn't your battle & the site rules aren't Kopite rules (as has been recently demonstrated)
     
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  17. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    I'll fight any battle I want without waiting for your invitation. AND you can be banned from his board for being disruptive
     
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  18. shogs

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    calm down lads.
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    tobs just want to top lfc so badly... <laugh> he's not focused on 4th he's focused on being 1 point clear in may.... and anythign that anyone writes on this site saying we might be ahead freaks him out....
     
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  20. Where the **** was Bluff during the night shift...? <doh>
     
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