Transfer Rumours The 2015 Summer Transfer Window Thread

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If Clyne is pushing to leave behind-the-scenes, then maybe 15m. If he's not, but we're not sure about whether we like the contract terms then 20m.

Anything less than that is a joke. Normally, I'd say a leaked crap offer like that is an attempt to unsettle the player. But that offer is so crap, and Rodgers seems so divorced from reality right now, it wouldn't surprise me if Saints leaked it just to make Liverpool look like idiots and unsettle them instead.
 
Saintmagic said:
According to some on here it seems we have a better manager and better players than Liverpool, despite them finishing above us in the table whilst having European football for the first half of the season to contend with. "What is the point in our players joining Spurs/Liverpool?" I have read on here many times, well ignoring the fact that they pay more money and have better history, they are more recognised globally, have better teams/squads, more chance of European football, bigger fanbases and can attract better players. Sure all these things are because of their history/money but are still big factors for any player.

Are Saints on an upward curve? Yes, most definitely. Are Liverpool on a downward curve? Yes. Have the curves got to a point where the clubs are on a level footing? No, close and much closer than even 2 years ago, but still no. There is also no evidence that Saints can continue the upward curve, I and everyone on here obviously hopes they do, but none of us know whether or not the record breaking season we have just had will stay as a record for many years or we will break it again next year. Another person who doesn’t know this is Nathaniel Clyne. One thing I do know is that if you look back through history the teams who spend the most on players/wages finish the highest in the table, so having money is essential and makes Liverpool’s current state look easier to overcome than Saints breaking the mould and finishing above them regularly.

This is all coming across as very pro Liverpool, which I suppose it is, but believe me when I say they are my least favourite PL club. I hate their deluded fans and their sense of being some sort of “special” club. I am just trying to look at it objectively.
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That's is very poor and assumptive interpretation of people's posts. You and I have exchanged most views, so I'll assume a lot of that is aimed at me. I can not believe how far off it is.

I'll leave this now if you are going to be so narrow that you are putting views into my head now.
 
fatletiss said:
Why am I. I just don't see they have much more right now or in the fairly near future.
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It doesn't matter the difference between Saints and Liverpool, so much as Liverpool's own image issue.

If you believe that you are good enough to play for a prestige club, then why would you pick Liverpool over Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, or even Man U.? Not to mention the possibilities in other leagues.

The player pool is a labor market. And to succeed in the market you need to have some kind of appeal to the those you wish to attract. I don't see any niche where Liverpool has a competitive advantage. Right now I'd say they are viewed largely as the crappiest of the big clubs. You never want to be the worst in the market. Whereas we are viewed more as one of the more attractive options in the mid-price market and a good place for players to develop.

We are not going to sign Eden Hazard. So there's definitely clubs who stomp all over us and players we cannot compete for. But for a young player, or a player still on the rise we are not a bad "stepping stone." But there are other players we can compete for and may even have and advantage. We have first class facilities, you can play every day, the manager seems to know what they are doing, and the club has a plan. Look at the transfer fees we've commanded. Come here, play 2-3 years, and you can cash out bigtime. You just have to be smart about where you make your next move.

Clyne can stay here one more year, do well, and then get a shot at a club better than Liverpool. A lot of other players at various clubs will be thinking the same thing... instead of going to some sketchy "big club" like Liverpool, they can wait and do better.

I just can't think of a situation where Liverpool would be anyone's first choice. You have to find a niche in the market that you serve the best. It might not be the most appealing niche, but you deal with it for now. You don't ever want to be the worst in your market niche. And Liverpool is the worst.

They should fire Rodgers, hire Klopp, and sell most of their players. Hand Klopp a bagful of cash and at least they will give off the vibe that they are completely reinventing themselves, have cash, making them an interesting proposition. That's better than the image they have now. And that's what they were going for when they hired Rodgers in the first place, and I think that worked. It's just that Rodgers has gone off the boil.
 
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spacedsaint said:
To be honest, with the sale of our emotional crown jewels in Lallana and Lambert - and the inevitable departure of prodigal son Schneiderlin - Southampton fans are probably beyond any more meltdowns. Everyone else is just an asset -and we trust we can upgrade our assets better than Liverpool. The thing about LFC - and it's a massive failing in comparison to SFC - is the fans don't want the best players, they want the biggest names. They take no risks - signing only high achieving players from successful teams (but smaller teams for the most part as they are loath to risk the embarrassment of rejection - but this no risk strategy is a poor one as it relies on players replicating form from one club at another - and being able to deal with the stress of playing for a team which HAS to win. Also, the names are picked not for their role but their ability. In contrast, Southampton looks for the best players to take on certain roles and we scout everywhere for it. Our black box doesn't care about names -and can ignore club form - in pursuit of the perfect player. So, yes, LFC are a bigger club, but, and this is a big but, we have a FAR better recruitment policy.

Roll on the summer.
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I haven't seen one poster say Liverpool aren't a bigger club. That wasn't the debate.
 
I Sorry I Ruined The Party said:
It doesn't matter the difference between Saints and Liverpool, so much as Liverpool's own image issue.

If you believe that you are good enough to play for a prestige club, then why would you pick Liverpool over Arsenal, Man City, Chelsea, or even Man U.? Not to mention the possibilities in other leagues.

The player pool is a labor market. And to succeed in the market you need to have some kind of appeal to the those you wish to attract. I don't see any niche where Liverpool has a competitive advantage. Right now I'd say they are viewed largely as the crappiest of the big clubs. You never want to be the worst in the market. Whereas we are viewed more as one of the more attractive options in the mid-price market and a good place for players to develop.

We are not going to sign Eden Hazard. So there's definitely clubs who stomp all over us and players we cannot compete for. But for a young player, or a player still on the rise we are not a bad "stepping stone." But there are other players we can compete for and may even have and advantage. We have first class facilities, you can play every day, the manager seems to know what they are doing, and the club has a plan. Look at the transfer fees we've commanded. Come here, play 2-3 years, and you can cash out bigtime. You just have to be smart about where you make your next move.

Clyne can stay here one more year, do well, and then get a shot at a club better than Liverpool. A lot of other players at various clubs will be thinking the same thing... instead of going to some sketchy "big club" like Liverpool, they can wait and do better.

I just can't think of a situation where Liverpool would be anyone's first choice. You have to find a niche in the market that you serve the best. It might not be the most appealing niche, but you deal with it for now. You don't ever want to be the worst in your market niche. And Liverpool is the worst.

They should fire Rodgers, hire Klopp, and sell most of their players. Hand Klopp a bagful of cash and at least they will give off the vibe that they are completely reinventing themselves, have cash, making them an interesting proposition. That's better than the image they have now. And that's what they were going for when they hired Rodgers in the first place, and I think that worked. It's just that Rodgers has gone off the boil.
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Thank you. Sums up what I have been trying to say.
 
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Looks like Mirallas wants out.
 
fatletiss said:
That's is very poor and assumptive interpretation of people's posts. You and I have exchanged most views, so I'll assume a lot of that is aimed at me. I can not believe how far off it is.

I'll leave this now if you are going to be so narrow that you are putting views into my head now.
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It wasn't aimed at you actually, I have seen over the course of the season quite a few posters say how poor Liverpool and Rodgers are and in more recent times (with the Clyne and Schneiderlin speculation) why would they want to join either of those clubs. As you rightly say it is most likely down to money, but as I was trying to argue the fact they have this money is what makes them more appealing in many other ways.

But I Sorry I Ruined the Party has summed it up well, Liverpool are in the bottom tier of prestige clubs in England, but they still are a prestige club and that is my whole point about why he would want to leave. I have said a few times that if Clyne has other options like Arsenal/Chelsea/City/Utd then he would be stupid to move to Liverpool, but if it is his only "prestige club" option then I won't blame him.

I'm sorry if we got our wires crossed at some point, overall it has been a good conversation.
 
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Come on United bid £40m for Morgan.
 
Liverpool have a tremendous history and it is recent. You cannot get away from that fact. Their fans are just as fanatical as any you care to mention. By their standards they have had a very poor season.
As far as the adoration of the cub though for their fans they are the greatest thing since sliced bread. We don't have their history in the top flight and quite frankly will not gain that kind of adoration for many many years if ever. That doesn't mean we do not adore our club any less.
It is the most natural thing in the world for a player to have their heads turned by a team with such a history. To me it is no brainier.......although it still doesn't mean I like it.
 
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