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Thatcher's Revenge

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Medro, Jul 3, 2013.

  1. Mick

    Mick Probably won't answer PMs Staff Member

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    It is not completely true - as people also look out for others who carry their genes, such as their children and their cousins and then their extended tribe (which is maybe why Nationalism and Racism come so naturally to a lot of people).

    It is also why we find the Orwellian theme of children spying on their parents so unsettling - putting your family before your country is an innate choice.
     
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  2. EDGE.

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    You think that it's a daft idea that mass production reduces prices?
     
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  3. EDGE.

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    Don't talk ****e, it's called nature, natural selection, survival of the fittest.

    I guess that's just how mollycoddled Westerners have became when they have forgotten the basic rules of life is making sure you survive first and foremost. If you can use the food you've gathered to feed your family and friends, then that's what you do. I use the same ethos when gathering today's commodities.

    I gather money through work and pass it out to the people who help me. Fuck the people who don't.
     
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  5. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    I was wrong with the Ayn Rand thing. You're more like Del Boy <laugh>

    Ahm off to watch the tennis. Later ****s.
     
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  6. Bib Fortuna's Maw

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    It was a short post and it would take a massive deliberate mis-interpretation to think that.
     
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  7. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator Staff Member

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    They should do away with council housing and the dole, and bring back workhouses. Kill 2 diseased birds with one stone <ok>
     
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  8. Bib Fortuna's Maw

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    Yes, it is, but that doesn't mean that altruism or packism are alien to humanity - or other pack animals.

    We're a pack animal, we're not ****ing cats.

    Communal nurseries and wet nurses are older than the monetary system - we don't just care for our genetic offspring, we care for our pack.

    This, ultimately, has evolutionary advantages - it's part of what makes us human - there are selfish benefactions happening as a result of herdism but that's not what the driving factor is.

    Co-operation is the third principle of evolution after mutation and selection.

    Without pack-based co-operation (non-genetic), we wouldn't be human.

    It pre-dates the barter system or even civilisation and it's not unique to us humans - most mammals live in packs - we used to believe that these packs were based around genetic links - extensive studies of wolves, in particular, and other pack mammals have shown this not to be the case.

    It's called supercooperation and it's what distinguishes advanced cerebral, society-based mammals from the likes of tigers and polar bears.
     
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  9. Null

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    On the dole for more than 3 years - extermination

    Three prison sentences or more - extermination

    Aged 80+ - extermination

    Clinically obese (**** you!) after 5 warnings from a doctor with no improvement - extermination
     
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  10. Tina.

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    my dad's 80 this year you fat prick <grr>
     
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  11. Null

    Null Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    You're allowed to be 80 ... just no 81!
     
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  12. Tina.

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    i cba to read through 6 pages...has anyone mentioned about non-uk born people taking up social housing yet?

    surely that must have come up by now.
     
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  14. Mick O'Toon

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    No,there's no rightwing xenephobes on this board!
     
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  15. Mick

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    Where did I say that altruism or packism were alien to humanity? I stated that we tend to favour the genes closest to us - let's say you had access to a single dose of vaccine, and there are 10 babies in the local hospital who could be cured from certain death by a single dose of this vaccine split between them. Your older child also had the same disease but requires a full dose of the vaccine to survive - would you do the altruistic thing and donate the vaccine to save 10 children for the sake of your 1 child? The answer any parent here would give is no, I would save my own child always.

    Extend this outwards to ask would you save 8 children from Britain or 10 Nigerian children - I imagine a lot of people would be naturally drawn to side towards saving the British children. Extend it further to say would you sacrifice the health of 100 cows for 10 Nigerian human children - and everyone would say 'of course, don't be stupid'.

    You are naturally inclined to look after genes which are closer to your own and that starts with your offspring and yourself.
     
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    Actually come to think of it that's amazing - nobody at all has.
     
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  17. RAVENBLACK

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    Well my dad is 84. And he is slim like me.

    So you're not being very nice at all.
     
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    Lots of people not being very nice on here these days ER. They need to think about changing their diets, listening to Aztec camera and reading a decent magazine. Can you recommend a good one per chance?
     
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  19. Vilsmeier-Haack Reaction

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    No, just that most people on the left seem to recognise the model of perpetual growth in the environment of a free market economy is reliant upon an environment of infinite resources, which doesn't exist. It's all about short term gain without giving a damn about the future consequences.

    This is highlighted by your earlier comment about relaxing planning restrictions and building more houses. Last time I checked land was finite, there is only so much land you cam build on. You may have solved the problem for now but what about the long term? It the same as the realisation now that growth in the global economy is completely dependent on the supply of fossil fuels. But rather than proper investment in permanent alternatives most of the money is going to extracting the very last of fossil fuels that exist e.g. tracking, tar sands in Canada. So these supplies are depleted, what then?
     
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  20. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    Mick have you ever had trouble finding affordable housing?
     
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