Thatcher Dies

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Bluff City Red said:
I understand that, but that is one of the big issues here with Obama trying to help the lower class if you will and the republican side are upset as abig part of this is keeping welfare and I believe increasing it ( again are there some, black or white, who really do need it? Yes, but are there many who abuse it? **** yes!).

I don't come from money and I owe my rents a lot for where I am today ( especially in terms of footy... the amount of money forked out for me to play at a top level, frightening!). I understand the grind but hate to see things being abused such as welfare.
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In this country, the assertion that the scroungers outweigh the genuinely needy is a right wing media ploy to manipulate public opinion, I suspect the same is true in the U.S.
High profile cheats are constantly dragged out as an example, when the thousands just trying to get by are conveniently overlooked.
There will always be those out to milk the system- the solution is to weed them out, not dismantle that system.
I think the U.S. has many more people living in genuine poverty than we have here- surely something needs to be done for them?
 
saintanton said:
In this country, the assertion that the scroungers outweigh the genuinely needy is a right wing media ploy to manipulate public opinion, I suspect the same is true in the U.S.
High profile cheats are constantly dragged out as an example, when the thousands just trying to get by are conveniently overlooked.
There will always be those out to milk the system- the solution is to weed them out, not dismantle that system.
I think the U.S. has many more people living in genuine poverty than we have here- surely something needs to be done for them?
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Think that is the big reason why Obama stayed in office, think the republicans got caught out a few times with a few comments about " we don't care about the other percent" things like that. Still have some years to figure it out but the scisim ( sp) in the house and senate is still just so massive.
 
Bluff City Red said:
I understand that, but that is one of the big issues here with Obama trying to help the lower class if you will and the republican side are upset as abig part of this is keeping welfare and I believe increasing it ( again are there some, black or white, who really do need it? Yes, but are there many who abuse it? **** yes!).

I don't come from money and I owe my rents a lot for where I am today ( especially in terms of footy... the amount of money forked out for me to play at a top level, frightening!). I understand the grind but hate to see things being abused such as welfare.
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They never mention this......http://greenreading.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/benefit-fraud-vs-tax-unclaimed-benefit.html
 
Jimmy Squarefoot said:
I've tried to stay quiet on this thread as Thatcher's era is before my time therefore I don't know what happened (and I won't pretend that I do!). Also, her actions with regards to Hillsboro and one of the biggest cover ups in UK history were diabolical and weren't the actions of a leader of the country.

With regards to politics in general, I am more right wing than left wing. I don't believe in studying hard, working hard and paying taxes just to support others. My concern in life is to support myself and my family. I'm 25 years old - therefore you could argue that my attitude has been indirectly influenced by the regimes in place before my time (e.g. Thatcher). It would be interesting to hear other viewpoints as what Britain was like pre-Thatcher? Was everyone happy working hard and supporting the poor? It's nice that society is very caring but why should I work hard to support others? Isn't it better for me to be poor and let others support me? Hence the problem we have today?

I hope I didn't offend anyone with this post. As I say, I'm only 25 so my knowledge on the Thatcher era isn't great.
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Jimmy, I look at it this way. Whilst I am an individual, I am also part of a community of people who in one way or another have helped to shape the person that I am and the skills that I employ. I am not therefore a product of my own making. Therefore whilst I do have a duty to both myself and those closest to me to make the most of the skills and abilities that I have, I also have a duty to the community that raised and educated me to help them have the OPPORTUNITY to benefit to the same or even greater degree.

Socialism is not about reducing everything to the lowest common denominator. It is about providing the means by which everybody is able to succeed to the level of their ability. Others paid their taxes to ensure that you were educated and healthy so perhaps you have a duty to at least return the compliment?
 
Big Bird said:
It is totally wrong to celebrate the passing of another human being & it is something I have never done & never will again - but I'm making an exception for Thatcher, as I always said I would.
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I agree, but since Thatch was never a human, my conscience is clear <ok>

Let us not forget, that she was largely responsible for the ban on English clubs in Europe after 1985, as she felt all football supporters were scum, and she encouraged any governing body to abuse us to the best of their ability, the narrow minded bigot. God I'm glad she is dead!
 
Noblelox said:
I agree, but since Thatch was never a human, my conscience is clear <ok>

Let us not forget, that she was largely responsible for the ban on English clubs in Europe after 1985, as she felt all football supporters were scum, and she encouraged any governing body to abuse us to the best of their ability, the narrow minded bigot. God I'm glad she is dead!
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Look who is back! We have missed you in the fantasy league.....
 
This change anyone's opinion of Whelan?

"We owe Mrs Thatcher a minute's silence," Wigan chairman Dave Whelan told @BBCSport.
 
Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed them to do the job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH
 
You know your wind up is **** when you have to bump the thread yourself.
 
Double fun - bloke in work had the S@n today and showed me an article where julie Burchill is threatening to leave the country in disguist at the comments from 'Lefties' about Thatcher. So two mad, demented, pig-headed, evil cows in 24 hours. Sweet.

As for this 'state' funeral the Mail and others are asking for - privatise it and get Murdoch, the Mail and the shareholders and oligarchs who filled their boots on her privatisations to pay for it. As it is, who's ****ing paying for next Wednesday? Get your ****ing hands in your bulging pockets Rupert.
 
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