Texan anti-rape Filibuster Wid Ye?

I can see where you are coming from, that logically speaking the average full grown dog has the intellect of a 2 year old child, therefore we should be allowed to abort children right up until they surpass a certain intelligence (I wouldn't focus on language, since animals like Dolphins are much more intelligent than a 2 year old child despite having a limited vocabulary). I think most people including myself would think that concept horrific though, the desire not to kill human babies (and puppies!) is quite innate and for good reasons, we would not have spent several hundred thousand years surviving to the present if we didn't have this innate desire to protect our young. Your approach seems to be a Stalinist or maybe an Orwellian realpolitik where you abandon human nature and naturally inclined ethics in favour of what you deem practical - and dismiss anyone who disagrees as Religious, or stupid. Not at all straying too far from this thinking of pushing the practical over the innate we have unpalatable social philosophies such as Eugenics - what is the point in letting ugly, stupid or ******ed children survive to adulthood if killing them is no worse than killing a lower animal?

Anyway much greater minds than myself have struggled to put a defining crossover point on when a foetus becomes human, but almost everyone believes it happens in the womb and probably the most accepted point is when the the baby becomes viable outside the womb (hence our current 24 week cut off point for abortion). I'd maybe go a little lower than that, but I'd certainly advocate that we still convict people who have put your theories of much later abortions into practice.

 

White British people are only replacing 1.4 humans for every 2, the only reason our population is still growing is because of immigration. Birthrates are dropping like a stone http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...alling-around-the-world-in-a-word-television/

In the next 20 years the issue will not be how we stop immigrants coming to the country, but how we entice them to come - we'll have about 30m people over 60 years old with little savings and a struggling government pension scheme (since the Government ponzi has already spent all the 'Insurance' money it has collected from us, and will almost certainly never give anyone under 40 it back).

 

When asked at which point does a squishy lump of cells with no mind/memory become a human being your answer was when it develops language (which is long after birth). So how else am I supposed to take it other than you are saying that abortion is fine up until the child can speak, since that is the line you have defined?

In terms of most people who are pro-abortion being intellectual and nice Lefty types you could be correct - but being a nice Lefty type does not always mean you are right. It always astounds me how people love to absorb the tenets of either the Left or the Right and firmly place themselves in either camp, when they are free to pick and choose which dogmas are correct and incorrect. For instance the Daily Mail is for small liberal Government, but the Daily Mail wants the government to prevent immigrants coming to the country, it wants to prevent people gambling, it wants to prevent teenagers having children, it wants to prevent gays getting married - all tenets of big authoritarian Government.

On the other side you have the Lefties who claim they are Liberal - on the Guardian website a few weeks ago we had an article saying we need the government to go after tax exiles and claim their wealth back, we need the government to stop allowing a particular banker to spend £30k on a single bottle of Champagne at a certain London nightclub, we need the government to stop CEOs getting paid such a ridiculous high rate. A few days later the Guardian breaks the story that the US and UK Governments are gathering intelligence on citizens, every single reader in the comments section jumped from 'we need the Government to change how rich people are living their private lives' to 'we need the Government to leave everyone alone and stop inspecting their private lives in case it involves me' .

The Left has just as many idiot dogmatists as the Right, and the Left is maybe even worse than the Right because it is right up its own do-gooding 'we are intellectual and we are trying to help people by coercing them to change to our version of the truth' arse.

Anyway... because a certain group of people you associate yourself with are inclined to like something, or think something is right does not mean you should agree with them without engaging your brain.