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TELEGRAPH: Saints warn Schneiderlin of consequences, if he continue to be "difficult"

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by - Doing The Lambert Walk, Aug 11, 2014.

  1. Archers Road

    Archers Road Urban Spaceman

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    Not remotely.

    If tempted to feel uncomfortable on behalf of the Schneiderlins of this world, I just research the employment contracts of, say, labourers working on Stadiums in Qatar, and you know what? Schneiderlin should wake up every day off his life overcome with gratitude.
     
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  2. Joe!

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    I'm uncomfortable with the implication that the more money a person earns the less right they have to be dissatisfied. In fact why is their income a factor in this discussion at all? If you're saying they'd have a right to be dissatisfied if they weren't earning as much, then that's just an admission that there is something to be dissatisfied with, isn't it?
     
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  3. Joe!

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    That's a rather low standard you've set there. If you're not a Qatari slave, no complaining. I guess people should stop bitching about zero-hour contracts as well, because it could be worse. Homeless people in this country should just be grateful they're not homeless in India.
     
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  4. Archers Road

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    I think of it slightly differently. Like if you have a well paid job doing something you love, count your blessings, and develop some gratitude and humility. Then think about what injustice really looks like.
     
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  5. fatletiss

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    I agree that the more they earn should have no effect on how dissatisfied they are. It is not part of my discussion, with the exception that earning more lead Morgan to choose to sign to the terms of the contract he did. If he no longer wants to honour that contract, he becomes reliant on the employer or 'offerer' of that contract to find away to end that contract, if they so wish. If not, he has to live by his choice.
     
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  6. Joe!

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    I don't think he loves his current job as much as you want to believe he does.
     
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  7. Archers Road

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    Presumably he loves playing football. But you're right, I have no business assuming that.

    Last Christmas I read "I Am the Secret Footballer", and guess what? The ungrateful sod actually doesn't like football very much.
     
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    To be fair, he played for Portsmouth, so I can't blame him for not being too fond of it.
     
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  9. SouthamptonFCroatia

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    They earn as much money partly because their contracts are binding them to a club for a certain period of time. If they could just leave at any time, clubs would have a far less incentive to pay them such huge sums of money. So it's a bit either/or situation.
     
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  10. Joe!

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    I struggle to see anything bad about that scenario.
     
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    you'd have to find another way to incentivise youth development, for one.
     
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  12. Joe!

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    I don't think much would change there, actually. Kids are still largely bound to their hometown, and before they reach 17 and can sign professional contracts the situation is already that they're not contractually bound to their club and can leave whenever.
     
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    It is amazing how many players don't 'really love' the game.
     
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  14. Dell Boy

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    Don't think its so much a case of Chambers going on to achieve greatness, its more the statement made by the club in letting him go. He's come through the ranks, into the 1st team and done well and just the type of player we need to keep and nuture.
    Plus £15 mill is a snip for his potential and new found versatility?
     
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  15. Sotonist

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    that's bad enough. if they can then leave for nothing after a season in the first team it makes running an academy pointless.

    let's face it, all our academy players want to emulate the players who left.
     
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  16. Joe!

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    Sure, but a club can only have 25 senior players. All the best talent in the world wouldn't flock to a handful of elite clubs simply because there wouldn't be space, and plus I do like to think there is at least some loyalty in the game. For example I think JWP is happy where he is at least for a bit.
     
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  17. Sotonist

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    reckon JWP is here for much the same reason lallana stayed with us over the years and morgan is with us now. nobody will pay what we would demand for the player.

    we'd just be babysitting players for the big clubs if they could go when they wanted without compensation.
     
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  18. fatletiss

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    We don't know the circumstances over his going. I am sure there was something else happening with this one. Talk of Less Reed not getting on with his Dad and anything like this can be a big influencer. No matter how we look at that, 16m for a 19 year old with a handful of games and not necessarily bolt on first choice in his position is good business. It may be he turns out to be an England star, but he may not.
     
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    Sorry, but income has to be part of the discussion otherwise why would players move for more money? No wait a minute, they all move because they want to play Champions League football and their current club lacks ambition.

    If they are dissatisfied, they are welcome to any career outside football. Morgan could probably aspire to an admin job somewhere on £25000 a year!
     
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  20. fatletiss

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    But Lff, the money isn't what the discussion is about, it is about the 'fairness' of football employment and how it is removed from employment law, so not about the actual earnings. Income should not be part of this discussion, unless you wish to move the discussion away to a different tangent.
     
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