TELEGRAPH: Saints warn Schneiderlin of consequences, if he continue to be "difficult"

Eh, I don't really want to start up *that* employment rights debate again but if you or I were employed by a company who did that we could simply hand in our resignation and walk away.

On a separate note, I was reading about when Tevez and Man City had problems and he didn't play for them for a while and there seems to be some FIFA rule where if a player plays less than a certain number of games in a season (10%?) they can just terminate their contract. It'd be a hell of a risk for Schneiderlin to take but if he wanted to do it he might be able to leave on a free at the end of the season.

 

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It's the chambers one that baffles most fans I speak with - no satisfactory explanation given. £16m is a snip for a talent like him

 

I'll end *that* contract debate by underlining that the contract is mutually agreed and the vast salaries footballers earn is part of the compensation in regards to changes in circumstances. Whether that be depleted playing time or a change in manager/ownership.
There are plenty of release clause stipulations etc which players can ask to be included in their contracts. This is the known reality of football and poor Morgan just has to accept that until a club comes in with a serious offer he will have to remain here.
As his contract runs down then his value will decrease and he could potentially get the transfer he desires.

Danny Ings is doing things the professional way by letting his contract run down, but getting on with being a footballer and doing his best for Burnley until the end of that contract.

 

I feel more sorry for the club and the fans. Time some players sucked it up a bit Laura

 

Fair play to Wenger though. Who here really ever considered him as a potential 1st team centre back? A lot of people were talking about him and Clyne at right back and right midfield but I never heard anyone suggesting cb.

 

Put him on the bench and play him for a minute or two.

 

The point I'm making is that the situations aren't comparable. However.

You'll end the debate? How arrogant. Unless you're a High Court or, more likely, European Court judge I don't think you can end that debate. Law courts have found that plenty of contracts are unenforcable despite the fact they're mutually agreed. Obviously this is unlikely to go that far but... you'll END the debate? Really? What a load of ****.

 

Possibly. Not always practical though. I'm not sure how things would work if he refused to play.

 

Puck, I believe the main point trying to be made is that football contracts aren't 'normal' employment situations. I get annoyed with the reference to employment law/slavery/people's rights comments when it comes to footballers who want to leave a club and are on an agreed contract.

 

It's not unheard of for employers to hold certain key employees to a substantial notice period, often of around 3 months. People can aslso have it written in their contract that they cannot work for certain specified competitors for up to 2 years after leaving their current job. Happened to a friend of mine recently, and if he didn't want to destroy his reputation in the industry he worked in, he had to adhere to his contract. So it's simplistic to say that people in other walks of life can just walk away from a contract of employment without consequences.

 

Can't really be arsed to get into this debate again, but the sport does ignore some ethical principles of contract law for the sake of making the transfer market work. It just does.

 

For my last job, I was at home for 3 months before they'd let me start my new job and the one before that, I was 'in the office' for 6 months, 4 months of which I sat playing on the internet because they didn't want me to start my new job with a competitor!

 

Not doubted Joe (though I don't know the finer details or legalities) but this isn't the point on debate (I think)... it is more the "it's not fair" approach, which as the process is 'accepted' as the football way, means it is fair.

 

Now we know why you spend so much time on here. You keep changing jobs.

 

The fans going to Anfield need to sing his name loud and clear for about twenty minutes while he is sitting on the bench. Show him our love. But they'll probably just boo him.

 

Well if it's not ethical then at least to some degree it's not fair. Do you not feel slightly uncomfortable with the fact that we can trap people in employment for the sake of making a sport (i.e. a game which is totally unimportant in the grand scheme of things) function the way we like it?

 

one of those periods was while on here... the other 6 month one, wasn't

 

If it was not the football norm, then yes I would. However this is how football works, so no, I don't feel slightly uncomfortable. I join a company and sign a contract of employment and have to adhere to those terms. I felt trapped when I couldn't start a new job once for 6 months.... looking back, I even got close to feeling very, very down in that period as I hated 'doing nothing' but it was the terms of my contract. If I hadn't liked the thought of that I shouldn't have signed it.

As for referring to sport as a game which is totally unimportant in the grand scheme of things, it is that to me and you, but not to those employed or running them and totally irrelevant to this discussion. If it was just a game, then we wouldn't bother with contracts. Being an ice-cream man isn't important in the grand scheme of things, but it is still important to those that do it.

Edit: I would debate the 'not ethical' view too.

 

Is everyone certain that Chambers is really destined for greatness. I always thought he looked good bombing down the wing, and strong in the tackle. I don't think he reads the game well enough to be a really good defender. I've never seen him pop up on the left flank as cover, or get infront of his man to intercept because that's where he knows the ball is going to to (I think Clyne is better at this kind of thing). And as a centre back; I know he's only young and I only watched a bit of the Charity Shield match, but there was an occasion where he got turned really easily in his own box.

Did anyone see his last 15 min in a Saints shirt vs Man U? He was truly awful. I'm pretty happy with 15 mill for him I think we did well. I think once he and Lallana fail to live up to their expectations, other teams may not be so quick to raid the Saints talent bank in the future.

 

i'm more uncomfortable with the football creditors rule before i'm uncomfortable with players being unable to change their mind mid-contract about where they earn their millions.