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Team vs Sunderland?

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by jayc89, Dec 22, 2014.

  1. BlackAshCat

    BlackAshCat Member

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    We've been telling you this for ages. Bruce has no idea about tactics or team selection full stop. Just like when he was at our place,the 1st bit of the season is'nt bad,then it all go's tits up and he can't respond in a positive manner. Of course,as soon as I say this you'll probably get a result on boxing day<doh>
     
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  2. Brian Storm

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    I'm chuffed if Elmo is deployed defensively. He's one player who could really hurt us if played further up the pitch. There's a high chance we'll be playing four CBs. Bruce should know this and should know Elmo has the speed and the power to do O'Shea every time.
     
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  3. BrAdY

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    it's bruce you're talking about
    gus has him everyday
     
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  4. PattyNchips2

    PattyNchips2 Well-Known Member

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    SB likes to play defensively, the players dont seem to be playing for him. It's a shame cos I dont think he is a bad man manager. he has a plan B sometimes, I mean, just how many times have we seen him change the tactics at halftime... although lately the players seem not to be doing the basics like completing passes.
     
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  5. BrAdY

    BrAdY Well-Known Member

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    yea

    he's changed a game so many times

    like.. er?

    olm for example has criticized him every single game about his tactics and subs.. yet he's a bruce supporter

    this is my point.. it's the small club mentality that keeps us supporting him.. but when do we think.. oh we should try and be this club? until supporters start to think it.. we can't be it. i mean ffs.. are we smaller than wigan? they had more premier league seasons than us.. but get even worse attendances than the bowl of the kc
     
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  6. PattyNchips2

    PattyNchips2 Well-Known Member

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    I cant name the match but what he did in 1st half wasn't working, so he changed it 2nd half.. (think it was an FA cup game).


    OK 1 match..
     
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  7. Fez

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    We agree on all except the front pairing. Sort the team behind them and give Hernandez and Jelavic a run of games to form a partnership; it did gel at the start of the season and might have been really decent had Jelavic avoided injury. After that Bruce forgot how to play Hernandez and it crept back through the rest of the team.
     
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  8. PLT

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    cGregor
    Rosenior Chester Davies Robertson
    Meyler Quinn
    Aluko Ramirez Brady
    Jelavic

    But since we almost certainly won't play that, and a 352 is much more likely:

    McGregor
    Chester Bruce Davies
    Elmo Ramirez Meyler Quinn Robertson
    Jelavic Hernandez

    Elmo, like the rest of our team, never takes a man on. He'll run as far up the line as he can but as soon as he's challenged it's either cross it from wherever he is, or if not possible just turn back and pass to the defence. And that's actually one of our most effective attacking players <laugh> Regardless of who plays at fullback, there's next to no chance that you'll have to worry about us getting in behind you.
     
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  9. TigerRoo

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    They can't at this level. In the Championship Brady and Elmo left their markers for dead but they are up against some of the finest defenders in the world and they need more than what they have got. If Brady and Robertson can get it together they will be a very formidable pairing. Elmo has nobody to work with on his side. It's no use making excuses for our so called strikers as they are about as useful as tits on a bull. We need two new strikers.
     
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  10. PLT

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    Jelavic is excellent. I fear you may be right on Hernandez but we won't know until he's had more time. I know we've been here before with Proschwitz etc but there are other examples where strikers come good after a year or so.
     
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  11. minuteman

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    The fact that city supporters have said this year on year for the last few years suggests that there is something else lacking.
     
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  12. Fez

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    Nonsense. Elmo has shown us all he is capable of hitting the by-line; the problem with our team is having the confidence to drive forward, it is not a lack of ability. They lack the confidence when they fail to retain a decent percentage of possession; their roles becomes even more soul-destroying when they do the hard yards and have no target men in the box. The only real ability concern we have is that of the manager and coaches constructing a game plan that harnesses the talent available. You constantly over-rate the quality of our opposition; of course there are world class out there, but not all are, far from it. To believe your criticism of our players is to believe that we must all have mega-bucks budgets to survive and prosper in the PL and that is simply defeatist bollocks. We need a game-plan and if Bruce can't give us one then we need a new manager.
     
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  13. TigerRoo

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    Have you seen the position we are in the Premier League Fez? We are one from the bottom! That means there are 18 teams who have more points than we have. I wouldn't say that I am 'overrating' them. It's a fact.

    And what is a new Manager going to do with what we've got. He will be taking over the losing poker hand that Bruce has been dealt (or dealt himself) and no amount of shuffling will turn it into a winning hand.

    Defeatist bollocks my @rse! We have three key players off injured. We are currently a 'dead team walking' because we have nothing in the final third for gawds sake. 2 goals in the last 9 games, c'mon Fez, we need some strikers!
     
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  14. Sunderpitt

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    I never was very anti-Bruce, but when in a 12 month period he had only won a handful of games he had to go, and not cos' he was a Geordie, I am a Geordie a Jarra lad who supports Sunderland. I reckon his problem at Sunderland is we ended up without any strikers, iirc in one game we did not have a forward on the pitch. At one point we had, Welbeck, Bent and Gyan. Somehow or other he managed to lose all three and did not replace them. If you have poor strikers or none at all you are not going to win games. I do not follow Hull that closely but have a soft spot for the place as I went to University there, and did see football (Boothferry Park by a railway? )and rugby league games.

    You beat us 3 times last season so I hope we get revenge on Friday but after that I wish you well. Of course being Sunderland we do not usually do good back-to-back games well
     
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  15. Fez

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    You've totally ignored your main argument, the one I addressed, which is Elmo. You also have now moved your goalposts to include the full team, were I took it you were talking about defenders. But anyway, we are just 8 points short of 11th and 3pts off getting out of the drop zone - we have 21 games left. Pulis did what you say is not achievable, Poyet called down a miracle. Yes, strikers would be good, but the ones we have had not had a fair shout. Many years in football vS taught me that very bad runs, which we are in, do turn around and I think our problems are mainly off the pitch. The injuries and suspensions will go, but something other, bigger, remains.
     
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  16. offshoretiger

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    Based on what appears to be available at this moment in time. He could go...

    McGregor
    Chester, McGuire, Brady
    Elmo, Ince, Ramirez, Quinn, Robertson
    Yella, Hernandez

    Subs Jacapovic, Sagbo, Aluko, Meyler, Macca
     
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  17. citycityhull

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    I would go for:

    Mcgregor
    Rosie, chester, davis*, robertson
    Elmo, quinn, rameriez, brady
    Jela, henandez

    Harper, bruce*, mcguire, meyler, ince, aluko, sagbo (figgy in if davis is injued)
     
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  18. Charon

    Charon Well-Known Member

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    We've only won 2 prem games with junior playing - he's an uncultured industrial hoofer who wouldn't look out of place on a Sunday league pitch - he played Swansea on by 2 yards when they scored being out of position again - I believe brucies argument is that he may be **** but he gives 100 per cent
     
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  19. Brian Storm

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    He'd still beat JoS every time fella. O'Shea was immaculate against the mags at left back but fact is he's slow as roots and turns slower than a microwave plate. Saying that, it's looking like Billy Jones could be fit to play so would move into left back with O'Shea moving back into the middle
     
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  20. Hull1904

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    Great idea, lets go with Brady at CB, Ince in CM and only 5 on the bench! Great thinking.
     
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