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Bustino74

Bustino74

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The talking horse of the moment is Albert Einstein. AOB is saying he's the fastest horse they've ever had and that he will go for the 2000G. To be fair to AOB his words have been 'they think he'll stay a mile'. Will he?
Albert won his first two starts in the Spring of 2025 and was then ante-post favourite for the Coventry. He was injured and did not run. He has not run since May 2025. He is, because of AOB's comments, as short as 7-2 for the 2000G.
As regards his pedigree, he's by the now deceased Wootton Bassett, who ran 9 times and won 5 races. He was a first class 2yo and won the 7f Lagardere Group 1 race. He was retired to stud in France and stood for a fairly low fee. Once it was realised that he was something special as a sire and that he was capable of getting horses that stayed 10f+ he was snapped up by Coolmore. Albert is the first foal of his dam Yet (by Danzig's speedy son War Front). She only ran 3 times, wining a small race and running 2nd in the Airlie Stud Stakes. Her career and stud record give us little to go on. Her dam was a filly called Butterflies who is by Galileo. She was an above average filly who managed to get placed in two Group 3 races, one as a 2yo(8f) and the other as a 3yo (12f). Her dam is the prolific Mariah's Storm, who was just off top class as a race racefilly but absolutely top class as a broodmare. She is the dam of Giant's Causeway and of You'resothrilling who's the dam of Gleneagles.
There's little doubt that Albert Einstein is extremely well bred and on balance should have the pedigree of a 2000G horse. The question is will his reputed speed undo him?
 
This is what annoys me about the English Guineas, especially when it comes to Ballydoyle. Year after year they send what turn out to be future champions to the 2000GNS at Newmarket without a prep run, and the horse underperforms. St Nicholas Abbey 6th in Makfi's Guineas, City Of Troy 9th behind Notable Speech, Auguste Rodin 12th behind Chaldean. It leads me to think AOB doesn't respect the Newmarket 2000GNS as a Group 1 classic, but sees it as a "nice pipe opener for the season". How much better would the aforementioned horses have performed at Newmarket had they had a prep race?
 
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The talking horse of the moment is Albert Einstein. AOB is saying he's the fastest horse they've ever had and that he will go for the 2000G. To be fair to AOB his words have been 'they think he'll stay a mile'. Will he?
Albert won his first two starts in the Spring of 2025 and was then ante-post favourite for the Coventry. He was injured and did not run. He has not run since May 2025. He is, because of AOB's comments, as short as 7-2 for the 2000G.
As regards his pedigree, he's by the now deceased Wootton Bassett, who ran 9 times and won 5 races. He was a first class 2yo and won the 7f Lagardere Group 1 race. He was retired to stud in France and stood for a fairly low fee. Once it was realised that he was something special as a sire and that he was capable of getting horses that stayed 10f+ he was snapped up by Coolmore. Albert is the first foal of his dam Yet (by Danzig's speedy son War Front). She only ran 3 times, wining a small race and running 2nd in the Airlie Stud Stakes. Her career and stud record give us little to go on. Her dam was a filly called Butterflies who is by Galileo. She was an above average filly who managed to get placed in two Group 3 races, one as a 2yo(8f) and the other as a 3yo (12f). Her dam is the prolific Mariah's Storm, who was just off top class as a race racefilly but absolutely top class as a broodmare. She is the dam of Giant's Causeway and of You'resothrilling who's the dam of Gleneagles.
There's little doubt that Albert Einstein is extremely well bred and on balance should have the pedigree of a 2000G horse. The question is will his reputed speed undo him?
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Another Drumbeat?

I think I would lay him at those odds
 
PS that is going back a long way. So fast and clear but didn't last the mile
 
Albert tries 7f for the first time on Saturday in the Gladness Stakes. Not a walkover as there's some tough older horses in the race, but he should win easily even if he doesn't stay 8f.
 
I was laughing when I saw Albert Einstein cut to 4/1, for the Guineas about a week ago.

Here was a horse with early season form last year but met a setback that ruled him out of Royal Ascot and the rest of the season.

The Gladness on soft ground looked a strange starting point and no way was that the original plan as far as I am concerned. Drifted from 8/11 to 11/10 despite the lazy "Experts" tipping him up as a good thing. The warning signs were there

Bow Echo is now favourite with Publish next best.

Bow Echo has largely held his place whereas Publish was backed in from 16/1 to 9/1 before Albert Einstein got his sums wrong at the Curragh against older but fairly mediocre students. That backing for Publish apparently was a result of good reports but Gosden has yet to lose his 2000G cherry. Which sounds like an expensive piece of fruit.

Bow Echo and Publish met already with the Boughey horse coming out on top but I thought the Gosden horse was the better long term prospect.

I feel that the relatively exposed Gstaad may be O Brien's best candidate. Sometimes a good 2YO can be trained for the one day and not necessarily be the best prospect for later in the season.

Publish was/is my main bet ante post but I feel Hankelow at 33/1 is a big price. The form of his races isn't working out great but he is proven at a mile, has an improving profile and the Autumn Stakes he won last year has thrown up winners that have gone on to better things as 3YO in recent years.
 
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Placed a bet Publish 20/1 e/w July last year. We’ll see what happens...
 
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Placed a bet Publish 20/1 e/w July last year. We’ll see what happens...
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I had a win only bet at 20/1 and topped it up, again win only. I just feel ante post is not a great risk/reward ratio for the place part and you have to place twice the stake further diluting the value. Probably Publish will be second, like his sire Kingman who thrashed Night Of Thunder in the trial but was edged out by the same colt in the Guineas.
 
Both still in the betting for now. Great how they blame the computer. It is normally the numpties who operate them who are to blame. Never mind Dell, it must have been Del Trotter who supplied Coolmore.
 
I liked a filly I backed in the Melrose Stakes last season. PINTARA is a daughter of Pinatubo who came into the Melrose 1 for 1. She held a good position for most of the race but coming into the closing stages she drew right away from the field to win the Listed contest in good style. e

Sent to the sales in December she was bought for 1.8 million Guineas and her new owners sent her to be trained by Francis Graffard from the Ralph Beckett yard.

Maybe that's not a bad idea, as Beckett has had a number of promising sorts who didn't make it as 3YOs

Entered in the Newmarket 1000 Guineas and the Irish Oaks, she could be worth keeping an eye on and given her trainer it might be a case of getting in ante post as she is unlikely to be any value in a trial or run of the mill race.

I've had a small bet at 25/1 for the Guineas as O Brien's pair are very skinny at the head of affairs.
 
1000 Guineas favourite PRECISE has had a setback but the trainer is fairly confident there is enough time to get her to Newmarket. Obviously a bit concerning for her backers especially those who took shorter odds.

No sign of a drift in her price for now. Looking at the French 1000 Guineas betting, I saw NARISSA quoted at 8/1 by Unibet. I would be looking for a zero on the end of that price. Can't think of any reason why she warrants those odds.
 
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My second talking horse is Field of Gold. To hear pundits talk after his win in the Craven last year it would make anyone think he was the second coming of Pegasus. He was then beaten narrowly in the 2000G and it was all Shoemark's fault. He then won at Ascot which was a good performance. We'll pass over the Sussex Stakes but his last performance was very poor and he was well beaten by horses he'd beaten earlier in the season.

He's a lovely looking grey and I watched his 2yo races and thought he was good but not that good. My view did not change much after the Craven. Yes it was an exhilarating performance, but I came away thinking if that was how he's going to win the 2000G then he's going to have to have things go right for him. They didn't. It was Shoemark's fault because if he'd started riding his finish half a second earlier he'd have won. What I didn't like about the then effective sacking of Shoemark was that I didn't share in the negativity in the press about his general riding ability. Before that 2000G ride I hadn't seen any poor jockeyship by Shoemark. I was glad when Richard Hoyle carried out some analysis a few months later which showed the Gosdens' horses on average ran better for Shoemark than for his replacements.
The win at Royal Ascot was his best performance, no question, but it was only given a 125 rating. That's 10lb below the outstanding threshold. If he'd have won the 2000G he would have been rated an average winner, which I think is about right. To put it in perspective Brigadier Gerard would have beaten him by about 8 lengths.
Then the wheels came off for Field of Gold.
The narrative seems to centre around him being the settler of scores for his sire Kingman and oh yes that he's a very attractive grey. The Kingman story is pure sentiment. Night of Thunder was an average 2000G winner as Kingman would have been if he'd beaten him. We seem to idolise mediocrity these days. Kingman was a very good horse but not an outstanding one.
So I hope we see a good miler this year and I hope Field of Gold turns out to be a very good horse. But let's get some perspective.
 
It wasn't a good Guineas last year. Ruling Court and Shadow Of Light let the form down and I think you could argue that neither actually trained on from 2 to 3, an assessment that could actually apply to Desert Flower despite her winning the 1000.
I don't think there has been a good 2000G winner since Frankel and this year's renewal looks sub standard already with contenders dropping out almost daily.
Publish was ruled out today after being lame and Gewan was fatally injured. O'Brien has had an entries debacle and a flop from a team that looked much of a muchness,yet he'll probably win it with his 7th string.

I had a tiny bet on Hankelow at 33/1 but the trainer said he'll only run if there is easy ground.
 
Yes, realised after I posted it. The interesting thing about Frankel's 2000G is that it was probably one of the weakest fields ever (Frankel aside).
 
The Gosdens said Field of Gold needed the race but he's going to have to improve 8lb plus to beat the winner in the Lockinge.
 
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