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GoldhawkRd said:
Leeds embargo was ended early, this month - the Football League have failed to comment on why. Could it possibly be illegality , breach of competition laws etc?

The following is an article published recently in the Independent. Interestingly, no mention is made of an embargo:


Jack Pitt-Brooke
Monday 11 May 2015


Queen’s Park Rangers’ players seemed to meekly accept their relegation from the Premier League on Sunday but the club have insisted they would fight the Football League’s attempts to fine them £50m for Financial Fair Play breaches in the 2013-14 season.

Losing 6-0 at Manchester City confirmed QPR’s relegation into the Championship and therefore made them accountable again to the Football League for their financial results from last season, which they filed in December.

The Football League believe that the club are in breach of their Financial Fair Play regulations over £60m of loans written off by the club’s owners. That includes a loan of £53.7m from Tune QPR, the company through which chairman Tony Fernandes and others own a majority stake in the club. If that injection of money is not accepted, QPR will be judged to have lost £69.7m in 2013-14. That is a sum far in excess of Football League’s rules and would leave them liable to a fine in the region of £50m.

QPR, though, are legally challenging the Football League’s FFP laws, with the hope of overturning them and thereby being able to play in the Championship next season without having to pay the fine. The club’s legal case will go to independent arbitration and only if and when QPR lose will they be liable to pay the fine.

“Legal proceedings are ongoing between QPR Football Club and the Football League,” the club said in a statement. “QPR challenges the legality of the Football League’s Championship Financial Fair Play Rules and any charge against QPR (if any) for breach of FFP Rules shall not be commenced pending the outcome of that challenge. The proceedings are confidential in nature and neither party is entitled to comment upon the proceedings until the independent arbitral panel has delivered its decision.”

QPR’s legal challenge is a landmark case which if successful would fatally undermine the Football League’s attempts to impose their own FFP framework. The club’s arguments are likely to focus on how the Football League’s own FPP rules have changed, with the possibility of a competition law challenge on the basis that the League was abusing its dominant position in an anti-competitive manner.

If the challenge fails, and the FFP laws stand, QPR’s owners will have to pay the fine. The Football League’s FFP system does not have the same plea-bargain mechanism that Uefa does, which means that the strict guidelines for FFP fines are more prescriptive.

The consequence will be that QPR would find it harder to negotiate a smaller fine, although a compromise is possible, with the next Championship season starting on 8 August. The fine, if they paid, would likely go to charity, despite the Football League’s original wish that fines be redistributed to compliant clubs.

If QPR did not agree to pay then, hypothetically, they would be barred from playing in next season’s Football League. Shaun Harvey, the Football League chief executive, warned at the SoccerEx conference last year that that was a possibility, with QPR relegated to the Conference if they refused to pay. The club, though, were absolutely insistent last night that they will be playing in the Championship next season.

Chris Ramsey is likely to continue as QPR manager next season and there is support for him from among the players. Midfielder Leroy Fer said in the aftermath of the heavy defeat at the Etihad Stadium that the players would like Ramsey to continue to help them win promotion back to the top flight next year.

“We would like him to stay because in the last weeks he has made us play football better even if we didn’t get the results,” Fer said. “It was a hard job for him to help us stay up and he’s been unlucky too. But I think he has done a great job and he knows what this club is all about. I hope he stays, makes us a better team and gets us back up.”
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I don't think there will be an embargo, there will be a negotiated fine. Embargoes are for clubs already in the championship, I think. I was just getting a little exercised by rampant speculation (aka bollocks) spouted as fact.
 
sb_73 said:
Leeds, Forest and Blackburn all had them for FFP breaches this season.

http://www.theguardian.com/football...m-forest-financial-fair-play-transfer-embargo

Lot of wishful thinking going on here.
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Not so. Firstly a summer embargo is a very different thing especially for a side relegated from the prem. No precedent there.

Also in any case the embargo did not apply where the club had less than 24 'established players', which included players who had made 5 starts at the half way point of that season.

Do you honestly believe they will let us go into a season a few injuries short of not being able to field a side.

There should be no doubt , we will be allowed to sell some of our big names and big earners and then replace them with cheaper alternatives like we are trying with the swindon pair

There is no logical reason for them to do otherwise
 
Peter Damage said:
Not so. Firstly a summer embargo is a very different thing especially for a side relegated from the prem. No precedent there.

Also in any case the embargo did not apply where the club had less than 24 'established players', which included players who had made 5 starts at the half way point of that season.

Do you honestly believe they will let us go into a season a few injuries short of not being able to field a side.

There should be no doubt , we will be allowed to sell some of our big names and big earners and then replace them with cheaper alternatives like we are trying with the swindon pair

There is no logical reason for them to do otherwise
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? On a subsequent post in reply to Goldie I said I don't think there will be an embargo. The point I was making was your statement around 'no precedent for an embargo for breach of FFP' is just plain factually wrong. My lack of telepathic powers meant that I did not pick up on the revison about 'summer embargoes for relegated teams' that you have just inserted.

I know your forum persona is to pick a fight with anybody who responds to you, but if you put "I think" or "I believe" in front of some of the stuff you post as fact a lot of grief on here would be avoided. It's not a crime to be wrong once in a while, and it's certainly dignified to admit it. I think, I have no personal experience of fallability.
 
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David McIntyre ‏@davidmcintyre76 1h1 hour ago
Was pretty sure Luongo would end up at Villa. Not so it seems. Beginning to look like [HASHTAG]#QPR[/HASHTAG] have got him and Gladwin.

Not definite of course and you have to remember he is still a journo but a much better rep than many others.
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Why would anyone in their right mind choose to join a circus like us if the option of Villa exists? I hope it's not money. Surely we've learnt our lesson of attracting players by paying over the odds.
 
Ciarrai_Abu said:
Why would anyone in their right mind choose to join a circus like us if the option of Villa exists? I hope it's not money. Surely we've learnt our lesson of attracting players by paying over the odds.
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But no guarantee of 1st team football at Villa.....whereas with us, step up from League 1....
 
I think Charlie Austin has done us a big, big favour.

Signed for us in the Championship
Won promotion
Raised his profile, value and earnings potential
Been given an England call-up.
Will probably move on to a "better" club, still in the Prem.

Imagine being able to negotiate and point to him as an example of what CAN be done.
Looks far better than sitting on the bench once in a while at Villa, praying for an injury crisis to get a game.
 
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Anyone know what's occurring with the Swindon lads, alledged had there medicals so what's going on, oh yeah it's our transfer policy to delay matters.
 
I can't remember the last time we signed what seems like a decent couple of players, under the radar and with no fuss and fan fair.
It looks like TF has finally learnt his lesson.
Happy days.
 
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