The problem with is phil if we do get someone to help graham up front ie another striker , it would mean a change of formation and a change how we do things up front, while that could be a good at times, do we do it for every game ? I am of the opinion that it's the service to graham that is the problem, dyer is a great player and I love him to bits, but his final third ball is awful at times and in doing our attack flounders, Sinclair on the other side is a greedy player at times, he should pass the ball rather try and take on the entire back line of the opposition . Still goals are what counts, and graham is hitting the net now, and that is a good thing, completely relying on any forward to score goals is realistic in our style of game though, we will always score more goals from the midfield.
Jager, you are saying we play the best using DG alone up front, (the guy is a waste of space). i disagree. you state "this is the way we got to the PL so keep it the same way", yeh looking good with many scoreless games. the way we played in the champ will NOT work in the PL, new striker needed plus AM if BR plays him
Christ I've heard it all now , thankfully the manager of the swans thinks that graham is a top quality player! Graham has scored 4 goals, yes he didn't hit the net in the first few games, but neither did anyone else ! He is on course to be a top ten striker goal wise this season if he continues as he is doing now ! This situation just so reminds of Scotland where some fans were not happy with him, and booed and criticised him bloody fickle fans! I hope graham just proves his critics wrong !
Danny Graham is a waste of space??? I think you're too far remote from the reality here in Swansea, Musty.
Musty for gods sake, he scores goals, it doesn't matter from where! Like Sinclair he scores goals , but Sinclair has only scored 2 goals from the spot graham four from open play ! Waste of space
I don't have a problem Jager, in understanding the concept of 4-5-1, but when the lone striker struggles, where will he get the support? hopefully it would come from Sinclair, and Dyer, but Dyer we all know needs to improve his final ball, while Sinclair seems to be running up blind allies these days, and in two games recently young Joe has shown our front line how to be effective, to me we need a more attacking Joe Allen or Dobbie back siting behind Graham, so that we can be far more clinical in front of goal.......................... please log in to view this image Can I ask you a question Jager, who's the better striker, Graham or Borini?? By the way my 11 year has answered me that question, "there's no contest dad" so if our kids can see the deficiencies, then it's up to Rodgers to improve the support to Graham, and not expect him to be a Borini, because a Borini he is not! so let's see how Rodgers resolves our lack of fire power up front, but as for us as supporters, we've been here before!............... please log in to view this image
Phil I actually agree with you finally so you do understand its the wingers supplying the service is partly at fault here, I would like to see dobbie getting game time, but he is struggling when he is on , probably because he's not getting game time, so a catch 22. Allen is utter class though I wish we could have a few more of his brilliance playing for us! What we need is bodde back playing for us, he could pick a pass and literally land it at the feet of someone like graham , and you are right graham is not a Borini , but we must play to the strengths of graham now which he has many of.
Who is the better striker? I would say Borini , but I never did see graham play last season , so let's look at it this way then phil , Borini plays in the top flight in Italy and scored one, graham plays in the top flight here and has scored four! So what is the better league ? I would say the PL 100% so what does that say ?
Well I never questioned the fact that supply could be better Jager, though it's all too easy to use that excuse when your front man is not firing, but those days when we had Bodde in the center midfield there was less pressure on our wingers, and in fairness to both Dyer and Sinclair, they did us proud last season, and I think it's now about time we had a Ferrie Bodde back in the middle of the park, to take the pressure of them a tad, they will then be able to play with even greater expression!................ please log in to view this image
That really isn't a fair comparison Jager, you know that Roma are playing Borini out of position on the wing, and you also know he's not happy at what Parma did to him, and there are issues with Borini at Roma in my view, so the comparison stats are not fair, not least he hasn't had anywhere near the same game time of Graham either!... please log in to view this image
Graham a waste of space? Oh **** off. The guy has scored more goals than loads of strikers who cost tens of millions of pounds, in a system which requires the striker to do lots of work that strikers in other teams wouldn't be asked to do, and he never complains. Who cares how good Borini is? Graham is here, now, and is doing a good job for us. He didn't score against Liverpool and Manchester United, I guess that means the guy is cack, right? Jesus H Christ... some people!
No I don't know he is playing out of position phil as I have never looked at it, and a goal every three games is far better than a goal every seven mate. And while I think he's pissed at Parma on this, how do you know there is problem with Roma and him?
It's in the thread Jager, if you care to check, Scotty try and debate, and show some respect as a mod!....... please log in to view this image
Haha, I apologise for my strong remarks, I really do. However, seeing a guy who is giving his all being called a "waste of space" is slanderous and just plain wrong, especially when a lot of people were slating him the minute he played and didn't bang in a hat-trick straight away. Calling somebody a "waste of space" isn't debate. Saying "I think Graham is over-rated and here are the reasons" is debate.
Graham will never be as sharp as Borini, he`s a typical Jimmy Greaves type player. So we have to work to Graham`s strength, which is as a goalscorer. Sinclair this season seems to have lost the plot a bit. Apart from the odd strike on goal, he seems to be intent on losing the ball or playing it to the other team. Dyer beats the defender then does`nt seem to know what to do, mainly because there`s no one in the box to get the ball to. He needs to cut inside a bit more often & give that killer pass to get on target. Brendan is a terrific manager but he does need to vary the play a bit more, because we are too predictable. We were OK in the Championship but this is a different league (obviously) altogether. Given time & a little bit of positional change I think it might well come together. Although, having said that, time will soon be running out. Let`s see how we are after the next seven games. The most important games start on Sunday, sort it out Brendan & let`s start getting those goals. One other point, we are not very good at coming from behind, this is something else that needs to be addressed.
We haven't let many goals in from corners/set-plays (if any?) and that is down to Graham helping out in his own penalty area - something I don't think Borini would be much good at.
danny is a quality striker, what a few fail to realise is we're playing in the best league in the world against some of the best defender's, you can't just brush player's like that aside, he's doing a good job for the team, the teams doing good, so what's the worry.
i withdraw the waste of space comment. is Graham overrated? - some love him, some hate him, in my opinion he is overrated until he scores from outside the 18 yard box. is it his fault - NO, he has no support. as previously mentioned this is the PL, not the championship as some comments seem to indicate "well it worked last year, why not this year", sinclair is MIA, Dyer, as good as he is, seems not to cross the ball as well as he could. pls BR play 2 up front or at least someone close behind DG or sign an AM who can shoot and score from 20 yards Graham a waste of space? Oh **** off. The guy has scored more goals than loads of strikers who cost tens of millions of pounds, in a system which requires the striker to do lots of work that strikers in other teams wouldn't be asked to do, and he never complains. Who cares how good Borini is? Graham is here, now, and is doing a good job for us. He didn't score against Liverpool and Manchester United, I guess that means the guy is cack, right? Jesus H Christ... some people! Scott, my dog could have scored the four goals Graham scored. Right place , right time and good on him for being there, he needs help to be more effective is what i prob should have said and by playing 4-5-1 he isnt getting it
Sorry if I snapped a little, it just seemed really harsh on a guy who works his socks off, and has scored a goal every 3 games in the toughest league in the world, playing on his own up front! I appreciate that he hasn't exactly been scoring wondergoals, but his job in the team is, as well as scoring goals, to help the team build, so he ends up playing with his back to goal a lot. This, combined with always having 2 CB's on his back, I'd imagine makes it very hard for him to be in the kind of areas he'd need to be to let fly from 18 yards or more?
