I bow to your omnitpotence in that you can deduce biterness and anger in my postings. You clearly already have looked far into the future and have figured our clubs' mutual destinies. Based on your other postings you are also apparently the oracle of baseball knowledge and wisdom. Why then is it that you keep losing your sense of direction and posting on our board instead of your own. I am not bitter about this situation nor angry. I dislike media speculation. I dislike tampering of one business in the assets of another - football or non-football. I dislike an apparent lack of integrity in business relationships or the possible mis-use of what should be in any other business proprietary information. And I laugh at the godly presumption that somehow Liverpool with one manager and a couple of players are going to earn an additional 27 points over last season and qualify for the Champions League. You seem to like to judge others and are especially quick to judge me, but when I, on another post, present the statements of your own manager, as reported by the hallowed BBC, as to his believe that Liverpool are inferior to us on the field and in style of play you label that as bitter then disappear. We may very well finish lower than we did last season, however, we have strengthened in key areas and have a reasonable expectation of doing better. What we know, which is what you will learn, is that our style of play is not dependent on one or two star players, but on a complete squad approach through all positions and in that system Allen and Sinclair are cogs not stars. This is why we held our own last season with the youngest least experienced squad in the division and where most of the senior players gained their experience playing in the lower divisions. We played a 19 year old at center half in prefernce to the risk of playing a 33 year old with lower division experience. We are evolving - keeping the system improving experience and talent - not transforming to a completely new system. Two completely different projects in scope, cost, time and risk. Rogers was not transformational with us, what he accomplished was evolutionary - big difference. BTW. These are observations. Just cause they don't sit well with you does not make them bitter. You want to rebut in material terms, be my guest, I look forward to learning something; but if the best you can do is label them as "bitter" ... move on and stop wasting our time.
That Toela guy said something about playing the 'Liverpool Way' from the past. Last time I remember Liverpool winning the league with those 'bootroom' managers the back pass rule hadn't been introduced. It always used to piss me off watching Liverpool play - keeper rolls ball out to Hansen - they pass it along the line and then back to keeper who then hoofs it up field. That's my take on how the winning Liverpool teams used to play. It was very successful for them but it's certainly not the way Rodgers will have them trying to play.
I used to have a real soft spot for Liverpool,especially in the Bill Shankly,Bob Paisley eras. They had great players,fantastic fans,played terrific football,and were a joy to watch,if only on Match of the Day. Then we started to import some of the players that I had enthused over,Callaghan, Smith,Boersma,Kennedy,etc.,and with Toshack in command,we made it to the top table,the First Division as it was then. Unfortunately,we now have the modern day Liverpool. No longer do they dominate other teams. No longer are they even top dogs in their City. They are having to eat some humble pie,and it's people like Brendan Rodgers,who has proved to be somewhat disingenuos,and fans like Toela65,with his arrogance, that has made me re-evaluate my opinion of this once great Club. I will always remember the glory years of Shankly and Paisley,but I doubt the new regime will interest me other than to smile when they fail to reach Europe.
I disagree i think brendan will be just the man to bring back the glory years, maybe not in his first season but he will show the signs of making them great again.....I would not dismiss his talents if i was you. he has been destained to reach the top by many great managers.....
Crikey Yankee, you're competing with Ivor for my top spot of favourite poster! Balanced viewpoint, articulate argument, composed. If you were a gymnast you'd be getting 16+ points.
I didn't miss it - the third word is an assumed variable..... racist/cheat/diver etc but you got it Master.
I didn't "dismiss his talents",Dai. I did,however,call him "disingenuos",and I think a larger number of posters than the "many great mangers" you allude to,would agree with me.
I just think that Brendan must do his utmost best for liverpool reguardless of how it effects us because he would be letting his bosses and the liverpool players/fans down if he didn't.....Its dog eat dog im afraid and we would expect our manager to do the same if he was in the same position....
Thanks Vetch. I hope we soon get to hear HJ's true take on all of this. One of the big take away lessons for me in this Allen Affair is the visibility of the details of player's contracts to current managers. There are somethings a Manager might need to know and plenty he doesn't, and for the most part I think that condenses down to the player's name, when he starts, when he finishes - anything else relating to performance compensation, release clauses etc are of no consequence to the manager since they don't have any real impact on how the player should be coached and selected and potentially setup situations of conflict. For example, a manager should not have his selection decisions shaped and impacted by appearance bonuses - if he doesn't know what they are he cannot be influenced by them. Nor should an ex-manager be able to manipulate transfer negotiations and trigger releases of players with past clubs - e.g. BR / Liverpool and Allen - through the use of proprietary / confidential information. In this day and age when contracts are negoiated by executives contracts should be sealed to everyone except club executives that have a need to know, the player and his agent - who hopefully have read the contract to start with anyway. If you are going to have free movement of key labour (i.e. managers), then you must guard against the movement of proprietary and confidential information. I would like to know what common practice exists in the industry, and whether HJ has learnt enough from this affair to make changes to club policy - not because we don't trust ML per se, but safe guarding the integrity of the club's assets and contracts and preserving / maximzing the club's negotiating power in transfers is critical. There is a lot of money at stake now.
I totally agree. Manager should only be involved in who, how much (up to him how to use his kitty) and what he's prepared to go to in wages (if an agent is demanding so much money it affects a manager's other recruitment decisions he should be involved). Contract details should be between a representative of the board, lawyers and players agent.
Yankee, I applaud you. Iv spent the last 10 minutes reason.g your posts, and they show what a great asset you are to this forum. Hats off to you. On that note, would a moderator role interest you?
Agree Yankee. All he needs to know is what you've stated and possibly if a player needs to hit a certain amount of appearances to ensure the work permits (especially if he's on a long term contract and we want to utilise him). PS. I'm sure your missus loves you dressed up in a gymnasts leotard
