Jager don't be so ridicules, going on your assertions, we clearly don't have a fan base, try being balanced for once, you could just as easily say that the real fan base are the 14000, supporters that have been there, since the Liberty opened it's doors, how long has the Liberty been going, and why go all the way back to the Vetch days, when it was just 2000, how about going back further, to choose say 20,000 at the vetch under Toshack, anyway this is all pointless, as we clearly have a fan base of more than 2000!.............
Jager, in fairness I acknowledged the club couldn't afford to gamble re: less season tickets and more matchday, and I totally understand the need to give priority to current, regular customers. I know that it's good business sense to take the money when it's on the table, it's just times like these that it hurts the most.
but you are being ridiculous mate, who are the true fan base, how do you determine them? its a fair bet that a lot of the 14k that has been going over the last 6 years are now season ticket holders, so an additional 2k tickets have been sold, and that is for every home game, plus there is circa 2k matchday tickets. So we have increased our fan base by another 4k, which you say are not true fans as they are plastic, so that means that those extra fans bring in about £1.5m a year, plus whatever they spend in the stadium, in the shop, and around the local area. So these are not wanted then because they are not true to our fan base, correct?
Check out Swampy's new look....and he eventually managed to brown nose enough to become a Mod (I saw that pleading thread...Please let me, please. I'll do anything to be a Mod!) With your new found position of pseudo power, you should now rise above antagonising others young man...jog off back to the lower leagues!
Even ST holders couldn't buy extra tickets unless they were members of the jack army scam. If they had given priority to ST holders as well as JA members there would have been alot more tickets available to Swans fans. My ticket, along with the majority of ST holders, would have gone to a Swans fan, whereas the Jack Army tombola is a little less considerate. I don't remember who suggested it (too lazy to look through the thread again), but showing I.D. with your season ticket would solve the problem of people buying them just to sell for profit. I never carry I.D., but if it stopped this happening it would be worth it. The problem with showing I.D., is if I can't get to a game, I can't give my ticket to a friend instead of the seat being empty. They can buy the seat, but at full price again. There are a few premiership clubs who use a website to legally sell your season ticket stub for a day to another fan of your club, which I think is a really good idea. They are sold for no profit (as it is illegal to sell football tickets for profit in this country), and the website then has a record of all the people who bought and sold tickets. In theory, this should cut out a big chunk of the black market. If fans of your club who go every week can't get to a game, they can legally sell them at cost price through the website. If you also have to produce I.D. with your ST, you could guarantee that person is at least dedicated, even if they are plastic. And if they are not going every week they would have to sell it through the website, for no profit, to have the I.D. changed to the new ticket holder. This would make selling tickets on the black market very difficult. If this was encouraged by the Premier League it would be easy enough for most clubs to start doing it, but at the moment there is no incentive. If the Premier League were to promote showing I.D. as a way of guaranteeing the chances of proper fans getting tickets, I think most fans and clubs would vote for it. There would be minimal expense because the websites for ticket exchanges are already there and running, the only difference would be the I.D. check. It would mean a slower turnaround in the turnstyles, but I think it would be worth it to cut out profiteering leaches.
Good shout dude, and agreed. I know Arsenal have a scheme like that (where ST holders are able to sell tickets to other Arsenal fans) but I think if one thing is to be learned from all this it's that the Swans potential fanbase is bigger than anyone thought!
for clarity this is the law that is being broken by selling on tickets, so you could report the person doing so, though it's illegal I just can't see the police acting on it; In the United Kingdom resale of football tickets is illegal under section 166 of the Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994 unless the resale is authorised by the organiser of the match, such as what viagogo is doing through its partnerships with Chelsea FC, Manchester United, and Everton FC. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1994/ukpga_19940033_en_18#pt12-pb13-l1g166 For the relevant section
website is a fkn joke re tickets for future games, online shop is ok 40 quid for a shirt @ 65p for a dollar = 65 quid = 100 dollars = 33 quid for 50 dollars mmmmm bit over 60 bucks i reckon, sounds ok, back to check the killer postage, oops forgot the 6.60 VAT and 15 quid postage, ebay here i come
"There are a few premiership clubs who use a website to legally sell your season ticket stub for a day to another fan of your club, which I think is a really good idea. They are sold for no profit (as it is illegal to sell football tickets for profit in this country), and the website then has a record of all the people who bought and sold tickets. In theory, this should cut out a big chunk of the black market. If fans of your club who go every week can't get to a game, they can legally sell them at cost price through the website. If you also have to produce I.D. with your ST, you could guarantee that person is at least dedicated, even if they are plastic. And if they are not going every week they would have to sell it through the website, for no profit, to have the I.D. changed to the new ticket holder. This would make selling tickets on the black market very difficult." Great idea. If you're reading, Mr Jenkins, make this happen!
yes, i changed my avatar, well done. i notice you have been browsing on the 'lower league' forum so you're hardly one to talk! read the post properly before jumping to conclusions and grow up, child.
I used the wrong word (illegal). I meant do what Glastonbury and others do - make the tickets non-transferable and traceable so that they can't be re-sold.
Next season I'm getting a season ticket. I'm taking advance orders for the Man U, Man C, Chelsea, Liverpool matches. Hopefully that will more than pay for my season ticket. LOL.
All this ticket scam fortunately don't effect the clubs financially but it effects the true fans, This syndicate from Ireland wont be at the game but the people who buy the tickets will, so what can the clubs do about it....absolutly nothing as the seat has been paid for and thats all that matters. Tickets come on a first come first served after the usual schemes every club goes through to make current ST holders get first pick, if you don't or cant renew your ST on the dates specified by the club then they go on general sale where you buy your ST's on a first come first served basis and this is the time when these schemers go to work and buy as many ST's using various methods as they can, If something or anything at all can be done then this is the area the clubs must look at, Nothing has been solved because there is no answer and at the end of the day all the clubs care about is selling every possible seat and they don't care who buy them......there is no easy solution or it would have been done by now so its left to individuals who either get in early after the sale to current ST holders (who include the schemers by the way) or when they go on sale to Que for ever in the hope of buying one.......Its a shame but there is no other way at the moment.....
The solution is not easy, but it is not so difficult that clubs can't do it. Having to produce I.D. is time consuming for both club and punter, but it would mean that an Irish syndicate could not buy tickets in the same way next season. You're right about the clubs not caring who they sell there tickets to dai, but if there was external pressure from the Premier League or the F.A. to bring this in, clubs would most likely fall in to line. We are at a crossroads in British football with regards to the type of fan attending matches, and I think this is an issue that needs addressing. If a rule is brought in soon we may retain the classic British football atmosphere, but if it is left to carry on the way it is, we will end up with quiet, plasticky atmospheres.
it don't work ID's are so easily forged. if it was easy don't you think clubs would have done that by now,... no leeeon there is no answer, its been going on in the premiership for years and now we are there it is done to us..
It is easy to forge some I.D.'s, and any idea is going to have flaws, but the question was how to stop people like that Irish syndicate buying tickets. If they were to buy a ST to sell individually throughout the season, they would have to forge seperate I.D.'s for every match. Now that's not that difficult to do, but why go through the effort and expense of forging multiple I.D.'s to carry out this scam, when there are lots of other scams which are easier to make money on. Making the process difficult to defraud makes it less appealling to criminals, and so would eventually put them off. There will always be ways around rules and regulations, but as a whole I think this would cut it out to a point where it would be non-profitable.
I have read all the posts and feel there is no real satisfactory way of selling either tickets or season tickets. There will always be someone who will feel hard done by. the club does the best they can to try and be fair but it doesnt always work out. I have sympathy for any fan who has been unable to get a ticket for any game. But, the clamour for the so called glamour clubs was going to massively outway the number of tickets available and unfortuntely that was always going to be the way. What i do think the club should do is much more vigourously police the turnstyles. Every person entering should be asked to show ID (picture ) along with the season ticket book. that is the only way we can be sure that the real purchaser are comming in to the ground. This may assist with these t*ssers who are trying to sell their tickets to attempt to make a profit. along with this any person sitting in the home end for these games who are clearly supporting the away side should be removed from the ground on safety grounds. again stopping manure fans buying home tickets. For all you real fans who have missed out you have my sympathy. so make sure you watch it somewhere and shout as loud as i will be.
guys it has to be picture id. then will they go to the expense of forging a DL or Passport. the other alternative would be, and i know this is closing the door after the horse has bolted. but have pictures on your season ticket cards. just an idea.
