surely Blatter will have to go?

Swords: This time I think your location makes all the difference...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Ireland everyone's a cont - be they a black cont, fat cont, skinny cont, bald cont, hairy cont etc. etc. (in my time, I've been so many kinds of cont I almost feel honoured!). In short, this level of personal abuse is the norm, so much so that you'd miss it if it wasn't there - and strange as it might seem to us over here, it's rarely meant to be offensive and rarely is any offence taken.

Different story over here and different again in many European cities where higher levels of immigration have been followed by the kind of subordination and oppression that not only caused a huge divide but left a massive festering social, economic and political wound. You experienced a similar rupture in Ireland with the rank discrimination against catholics in the lead up to the Troubles in Ulster the 70s. It's taken a 30 year war and a whole political palava to reduce it.

Over here, it wasn't against indiginous catholics but 'foreign' workers of one type or another. Whilst we've had our fair share of riots and social unrest, it didn't get as hot and deeply entrenched as it did in Ireland - and much of it was corrected with an Inquiry (Scarman) and the equality Acts.

Whilst in Ireland, Terry's abuse of Anton would likely have passed without notice, over here (and I believe in Europe too - although the French would never kowtow to it) it's a criminal act to personally abuse someone in that way... totally unacceptable for a figurehead like a high profile footballer not to mentiom the England captain.

Blatter's comments suggesting criminal behaviour, especially in a public arena, can be waved away with a hand shake are therefore all the more ridiculous coming from the head of a global organisation.

Hope that helps.

Btw, how would calling someone a 'disabled cont' go down in Ireland these days?

 

What and IDIOT !!!
GET RID hes a joke !!!

 

Blatter's just a ****,totally corrupt,not just financially but morally.His comments are always total bullshit and this one just about takes the biscuit.If he truly believes what he said,can i suggest he looks at the BBC sport headlines today,where he will find Luiz Suarez has been charged by the FA for racially abusing Patrice Evra,and Chelsea are investigating claims that Daniel Sturridge was racially abused by a Chelsea fan in their Champions League game in Genk.This latter case surely proves him wrong,the fan in question was sat in one of the most exclusive seats available on the night,and was reported by another Chelsea fan who was utterly disgusted at what he had heard.It seems that contrary to Mr Blatters belief that racism doesn't exist in football,it is indeed more prevolent now that it has been for a long time!!

 

Brix, I didn't realise it was different over there and I take that on board. Although Finglas has just given a very complete (and persuasive) damning of my views and he's just over the road from me!

With regards the "disabled cont" thing, its not likely to happen on a professional football field and even if it did, I still ask where do you draw the line? If someone could tell me whats allowed and whats not when tension is running high among a group of highly charged blokes, I would be much obliged.

My feelings haven't changed one iota. I feel that political correctness is getting way out of hand and its just a bunch of bleeding hearts and do-gooders going around looking to pounce on the next unsuspecting victim of their crusade. Horse Racing is the latest sport to fall into the clutches of these people, a sport which given the new rulings, they clearly know nothing about.

Our game has been almost destroyed already by over sanitisation. You can't touch a player in the box or else its a penalty. Players going down clutching their faces when they've barely been touched (Barton v Ars) in an effort to get their fellow pro sent off. Diving, cheating, refs blowing up for everything destroying matches. And now this. A grown man whinging like a child because someone insulted him. Its not the game I fell in love with.

Just to add, I've never liked Terry. He's an obnoxious clown but I feel he's being scapegoated here by those odious people I've referred to above.

 

I don't think the complaint came from Anton in the first instance. I think it came from tv viewers and he made a statement as a result of that.

 

Sadly, the Terry saga will come to nothing as there will be evidence for and against him and there will be 'insufficient' evidence to nail him, the perfect cop-out for the FA who need this like a hole-in-the-head in the run-up to the Euro 2012 tournament. It will also be the perfect excuse for when England go out of the tournament early as usual...

 

Spot on finglasqpr!..Swords your wrong on this issue.If proven then Terry should be sacked and thats being not anti-chelski either.If a QPR player said Racist remarks to an opponent then i would expect the same punishment.If you or I said exaclty the same thing in the workplace then its gross-misconduct and would be fired.There is no room for racism in the game,be it chanting or name calling!

 

I know the English have it in for Blatter after the humiliation of the awarding of the World Cup but I have to agree that the guy is a total clown.

 

Swords has very good points
Challenge me for location that's rubbish ... At the Blackburn game Salgado was subjected to comments I heard first hand . Taarabt has been heckled as a arab so and so
It's really like a broken record until the word black get mentioned
I have countless friends of all different skins types yet the whole nation performs the last acceptable form of racism towards gypsies .
I see a man as a man a woman as a woman if I am attacked then it's a gypsy throat punch and we can shake hands afterwards
JT profile was in tatters anyway he said a stupid comment and may have to pay for it but he is no out and out racist
I am with Swords although he can be thick green **** while I am a dirty brown gypsy ****wit who has an eastern European cleaner who has called me nasty names

Where have we come from and define racism today JT's dismissal won't change anything if it happens
The Liverpool lad is disliked anyway because he dives a lot plus he plays for Liverpool and they cheat at everything don't they ?
When we play Liverpool next all you that sing : Same old scousers Always cheating are just as bad ... If you dare put in the word black into the above song then as a club we will be fined

So therefore it comes down to a word
Black that was said

We would therefore need to stamp out every form of racism

Where's your caravan? Freddie Eastwood no one stopped that

Racism is not just confined to any one colour of skin is it?

We are all hypocrites we come from the worse race on the planet for that

 

DT - I struggled to get your point there a little, but if you're saying that we shouldn't try to stamp out racism from our culture, you're a tool.

The scenarios you mention are all complletely different, and you're trying to deliberately mislead. The problems most people in this country seem to have against travellers at the moment isn't because they are a different race (they aren't, they just live in caravans - there's no 'race' issue there at all) it's because a very vocal section of their community have painted themselves as thieving bastards who knowingly and happily ignore the law and then when they get prosecuted, act as if they are being racially abused ("It's becos I is livin' in a Mistral GT, innit?"). Nobody would have any problems with them if they were law abiding citizens, and subjected themselves to the same laws that the rest of us do (paid tax, got permission before building, etc).

Abusing people because of their race is a different matter. Because of where someone was born or what they look like is just plain wrong, and we need to do all we can to eradicate it. Racism has been behind some of the most depressing and regrettable incidents in our history as a nation, and we should all do what we can to stamp it out. Blokes like John Terry need to be made examples of, because in a sad way that will speak more to the kids today than any government proclamation. Footballers and pop stars are the people kids look up to and want to emulate, and if they see this as acceptable behaviour, then we are set back 30 years and the progress made since 'Love Thy Neighbour' went off the air has been lost.

And as for your last word? Personally I'm NOT a hypocrite, I acknowledge there are still racists around, but to say it's a bad thing, but just accept it and do nothing about it is what makes people hypocrites. There have been a few posting on this thread already, please don't drag everyone into that circle....

 

the blokes a complete twat he just don't like the english or prem league & should be resign with immediate effect but the prick won't & who can sack he is fifa.

 

Finglas! I totally agree with you. If (and it needs to be proved) Terry said that, he should be kicked out of football for a very long time - 2 years would be about right, he'll be finished as a top player by then. Terry and a few other Chelsea players had clearly lost it at Loftus Road. Blatter should quit sure but then he should have done years ago, and doubt he will go easy now.

 

To any of the doubters about how serious and hurtful it is to be called a 'black this' or a 'black that', may i suggest they talk to someone who has actually suffered this and ask them how it makes them feel.
To say that people should 'shake hands after' is an absolute DISGRACE.

 

every football fan wants this slimy stool gone.

 

In a nutshell that is the problem. I notice Gordon Taylor today suggesting that Blatter must resign and that Platini should be installed in his place. And what would that buy us? An ostentatiously English hating frog who seems to be aiming for 5-aside rules to be adopted for all games. No, International football needs a clean break with all the existing powers. Someone can and surely will set up a Packer style international tournament to rival the World Cup at some point in the future. If our FA had more balls they would have already done so.

 

Sepp Blatter seems to hold on to power better than half the worlds dictators!! He literally doesn't care what anyone says he would never stand down, he's got nothing better to do, he just loves the power. The madmen are in charge of the asylum...

 

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Blatter has since claimed that he was mis-quoted. What he meant to say was "burn a cross on their lawn and see if they like that instead" His mind wasn't on the job, he was on the way to Zurich to check his Swiss safety box for Nazi gold stolen from Jews in WW2 and to make sure that the cheque from Qatar had cleared and was in Euros not Riyals.

Here's a prediction, before he dies Blatter will commision a statue of himself which will be put up outside FIFA HQ. He is a dictator who is utterly obsessed with his own cult of personality. At least Bunga Bunga Berlusconi quit when the going got rough, Blatter will have to be carted out in his box.

 

I see your point of view DT and see that we permit certain slurs since they're not seen to be as bad.

This shouldn't be the case.

Asking footballers to be role models is never going to happen (that in itself is slightly prejudiced of me) but we need to control this.

My belief is that normal laws (as in the ones we have to follow) should apply to football - violence and hatred included.

Yes there is a chance of being too PC and that annoys me in today's society but an alternative of total acceptance whereby colour, ethnicity, religion, dead relatives and disability are all seen as part of the Passion of the game should not and cannot be tolerated.

As for Blatter, it's like the chief of police saying vigilanteism is Ok - offensive, stupid and wrong from a person who, in his position, should know better (as should all of us). He should go but I doubt he will unless he gets a hefty pay off.

 

Well put Oddball (even if in a very odd way). Terry is the sacrificial lamb being offered up for the cleansing of societies mass consciousness. This whole thing stinks. Its putrid. And everyone's following along like Lemmings.

Also, when people give the argument "in the workplace" its ridiculous. It's obvious its not the same thing looking over your Computer and calling someone a black cu*t in the office. Just as you wouldn't call someone a smelly cu*t or an ugly cu*t but that seems to be acceptable on the football field. And so it should when there's tens of thousands of fans roaring and shouting abuse at you. Hardly like for like is it? Not many mentioning the pure venom that was being spat at Terry, Lampard and Co from the terraces throughout the entire game.