Smug I understood exactly what PP45 said, he said it was probably 500 of the 50k supporters who caused damage to the city centre. (Here's the bit where I do what you do...) Unless you've got evidence to prove that more than 500 people caused criminal damage to parts of the city then I suggest he's probably not failed at all, it's probably an over-estimate really isn't it? You've suggested there were thousands outside a train station but he was SPECIFICALLY talking about damage to the city centre. I find it very had to believe that more than 500 people were smashing up the city centre, let's not forget that this type of thing made national news not too long ago when masses of people were destroying cities throughout the country, and to your local resident's testament, the North East got very little coverage in comparison to the likes of my city, Manchester alongside Birmingham and London. It's a little contradictory to be named 'smug', when often a prerequisite of being smug is the resultant self satisfaction gleaned from being right about something. Innit? To be fair though, I'm a neutral and I do remember the horse punching thing and it doesn't seem fair to let NUFC fans shake that tag, you stand together after all surely?
" It's not based on facts, either real or your examples, it's done to take the micky or rile people .... it's obviously worked in your case " Oh....the wonderful irony.....
The bottom line is that all mags are scum-sucking, hooligan bastards (apart from them as is in my family, natch) and all mackems are brave, upstanding, salt-of-the-earth types of whom any club would be justifiably proud. Sorted. Now, back to the match. I am going for us 2-1. I originally thought another 3-0, but I have to take form into account and ours is currently crap.
Inside the ground you stand together, outside everyone has to take resposibillity for their own actions and only their own. Is it fair, for example to label a Millwall or Cardiff fan, who takes his two kids to every home game a hooligan/murderer??? I mean their fans have done this in the past, so because he supports the same club and goes to the game he must be one too, yes? EDIT: Cardiff are actually a prime example, having gone to the game at their place the other week their fans were very welcoming and were anything but the hooligans/trouble makers they are constantly portrayed as.
Of course not mate, I was just on a wind up. I don't tarnish fan sets really, maybe Liverpool fans now and again but it's banter more than anything. I was just winding Smug up, he's probably going to snap soon so I thought I'd poke the bear for a bit of a laugh. For what it's worth, it's usually a pleasure when either of your sets of fans travel to Old Trafford.
Fair enough To be fair I think smug is focussing on the "500" fans comment to purely deflect from what I'm actually saying. Nobody knwos the exact figure, but there is no way on earth that there were thousands of Newcastle fans storming the city centre which is essentially what he is trying say happened.
I was in Newcastle from 9.30am and was in the convoy all the way down to the station. I'd walked up with the convoy from the station to the ground on the side of the road where the Newcastle supporters were. We'd walked down to the station hoping to join the convoy but the police wouldn't let us near. I think that someone who was actually there would know more than two people who are just guessing and obviously weren't there. I always post, on here, knowing that there will be other people who will pull me up if I'm wrong so take care to get my facts straight. There were many more than 500 involved in charging the police lines, setting fires, throwing missiles and attempting to attack the convoy. Whether that's damaging the actual structure of the city or merely the image of Newcastle supporters is debatable.
Sh*t certainly sticks, I only leant across to give the white one an apple. please log in to view this image
No idea why you think that mate, this forum is all a bit of a laugh ....... if people get wound up by my comments that's their problem. I'm as cool as the other side of the pillow.
I was just being pedantic pal, chill you don't need to explain yourself to me! You've obviously got a dim view of each other as supporters, it's natural but from a neutral you're both decent sets of fans. It happens less in other derbies in England (the damage part) because generally the two teams share a city and the other group of fans wouldn't let them do it! Maybe you could agree to just use Middlesbrough as a neutral venue to do smash up.
For the OP. I reckon the game will be 3-2 Newcastle to be comfortably 1-0 up and running the show at half time then implode as per Pardew's team talk, bit like Everton but in reverse. Pardew will be rewarded for the defeat with a 6 year extension to his contract.
This will give you an idea of the numbers involved ....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMa7g9Iu0fk There were similar groups outside the station, along the route, on Westgate Road and at various points along the route. There was a large gang, of around 1000, who followed the convoy from the station to the ground. After the match there were constant 'charges', missiles being thrown, horses being punched etc. I'd say there were around 3000 Newcastle supporters looking for trouble after the match. The station was closed, at one point, by the police due to the large numbers of Newcastle.
It's easy to say just one man punched a horse. When the fact is he emerged from a rioting crowd to do it. If they weren't looking for trouble then why didn't they go home? Or pop for a pint? Surely it's not the norm on a matchday in newcastle to fill the streets with very large crowds to goad police and refuse to disperse is it? Perhaps it's just their little bubble of a world and that's why they're playing it down?
The police described this as a 'riot' and the worst trouble they had ever seen. Suggesting it was just a few hundred daft lads seems to be a way of proving, beyond any doubt, that you weren't there on the day. There were thousands of Newcastle supporters either causing trouble, looking to cause trouble or happy to join in if major trouble ensued. They may have been a minority of the 50,000 but by the time the rioting occurred they were the majority of supporters left in town.
