Transfer Rumours Summer Transfer window

[Frazier the Lion]

Nothing wrong with folk disagreeing with the club at all, folk didn't agree with your comment so responded but it was more for a debate than saying 'the club can do no wrong'

Imo I would rather get quality in 1st then sell players from there. I'd hate to sell players then struggle to sell players and be left short or have to overpay because clubs think we are desperate for signings so increase the funds

I believe the following 1st teamers will leave

Hjelde - loan
Alese or Seelt - loan
Aleksic - loan
Browne - sold
Jones - loan
Young - loan
Triantis - sold
Poveda - sold or released
Ba - sold or released
Pembele - sold or released
Ruysn - sold or released
Hemir - sold or released
Abdullahi - loan

I've probably missed some off but I reckon we will have a squad of 25 or 26 for the season but that'll include 3 1st team GKs

All good. Mostly just gentle pisstaking at the endless stream of 'well you're not a professional so I'm gonna trust the club thankyouverymuch' posts tbh

In the interests of transparency, here's my working. And that is with me assuming that we shift or abandon absolutely every one of the ones that are on the fringes. 24 outfielders sharing 38k minutes.

GK New Patterson Moore
D Hume Cirkin Huggins O'Nien Ballard Seelt Reinildo New New
M Neil Rigg Sadiki Diarra ELF New
AM Mundle Roberts Adingra Talbi New New
F Mayenda Isidor New

 

[FellTop]

One nagging concern I have is we are assuming we can offload a lot of players easily. Might be harder to offload than it is to buy in some ways.

My sense is a lot will be loans as an insurance for next season. Getting them into the right environment is crucial. Then we will want wages covered you would imagine with PSR. Then there are some on the list we will simply want gone, but them finding a home with the money they get here might be a challenge. I think we may well end up with a few we dont want.

As an aside. Does anyone know if we have a loans manager in the club. We are getting to the stage where one would be helpful.

 

[CR17]

We've got around 11-12k prem minutes available next season in midfield. We've already got 5 midfielders who will want to get hold of a good portion of those at the club. We also want to add in another more defensive midfielder plus in this scenario an outright 10. To be a proper prem mainstay you should be clocking up around 3k minutes. However for you to be considered to have had a reasonable impact you really need to be clocking up 2k. As a specific example, Rigg doesn't stay at SAFC in 26/27 unless he gets around that next season IMO. So with 7 players looking for 2-3k minutes, the maths just doesn't add up. Of course you can probably get some of those for the number 10 to come from a wide position. However, with specific reference to El Khannouss, he would only naturally fit into the wide spot that we already have 3 viable options for - and those lads want to be hitting that 2-3k mins mark too.

Managers will always want one more player. Maybe we get an injury crisis that means they come into play. Maybe they just sit on the bench and in the stands and their value dwindles. Maybe we should just accept that we're gonna overshoot and be left with some waste next summer. However, buying players for big money and not getting good use out of them will catch up to us at some point IMO.

Fair post, I defo think we can rotate enough to give the lads minutes and i'd rather have good depth and risk having one or two who might leave in 26/27 rather than not sufficient depth who end up having to fill in when our inevitable injury crisis rolls around haha

 

[CR17]

I would be surprised, and concerned, if that were a midfield three against West Ham personally. Sadiki has some learning to do imo.

I wouldn't, was only 45 mins, but Sadiki was the highlight imo

 

[Hudson92]

He has but think we will have a couple extra 1st teamers this season

I think an extra defender, extra CM, an extra winger and an extra striker is likely

Aye would be nice to have 9 genuine options off the bench this year

 

[WorkyTicketFTM]

Who are our starting 3? Massive mistake if Regis is already decided.

Well Le Fee and Diarra are certainly two of them. Based on what we seen last season I’m not Rigg is quite ready to be starting, he should be a massive player off the bench though. I guess it’s whether or not he thinks Neil is good enough to step up. It’s got the fanbase divided. I’d personally like one more in that’s undeniably better and has plenty of football at a higher level, either Xhaka or Henderson would’ve done for me. A player of that ilk.

 

[Southern A]

The whole Neil or Sadiki debate might be moot come 16th August anyway if Neil hasn't signed a contract.

That's the thing I'm most surprised about this window. If somebody had told me after the playoff final we'd get to 21st July with nobody signing a new contract, I'd have said they were fools.

 

[Robertson]

We've got around 11-12k prem minutes available next season in midfield. We've already got 5 midfielders who will want to get hold of a good portion of those at the club. We also want to add in another more defensive midfielder plus in this scenario an outright 10. To be a proper prem mainstay you should be clocking up around 3k minutes. However for you to be considered to have had a reasonable impact you really need to be clocking up 2k. As a specific example, Rigg doesn't stay at SAFC in 26/27 unless he gets around that next season IMO. So with 7 players looking for 2-3k minutes, the maths just doesn't add up. Of course you can probably get some of those for the number 10 to come from a wide position. However, with specific reference to El Khannouss, he would only naturally fit into the wide spot that we already have 3 viable options for - and those lads want to be hitting that 2-3k mins mark too.

Managers will always want one more player. Maybe we get an injury crisis that means they come into play. Maybe they just sit on the bench and in the stands and their value dwindles. Maybe we should just accept that we're gonna overshoot and be left with some waste next summer. However, buying players for big money and not getting good use out of them will catch up to us at some point IMO.

I get the argument and appreciate where you're coming from. Spending good money but not having it on the pitch for over 2000 minutes seems like a waste.

7 x 2000 is 14000 so it's not miles over 11-12000. Then there are cup games to add in. Add in when players have knocks or suspensions then those players aren't going to be unhappy about not playing in those times. Several had knocks last season but had to play through them for the team - Jobe for instance.

 

[Scout73]

All good. Mostly just gentle pisstaking at the endless stream of 'well you're not a professional so I'm gonna trust the club thankyouverymuch' posts tbh

In the interests of transparency, here's my working. And that is with me assuming that we shift or abandon absolutely every one of the ones that are on the fringes. 24 outfielders sharing 38k minutes.

GK New Patterson Moore
D Hume Cirkin Huggins O'Nien Ballard Seelt Reinildo New New
M Neil Rigg Sadiki Diarra ELF New
AM Mundle Roberts Adingra Talbi New New
F Mayenda Isidor New

Yeah that's probably what I would have, I think we will have a squad of 25/26 this summer

I hate that argument, just because we aren't professional doesn't mean we can't share our views eh

You've made cracking points tbf and some I totally agree with. I think thr Leicester lad could be a special player and he could be a class AM, add him to Diarra Sadiki Le Fee Neil and Rigg and we are set in CM imo. I do think Neil might be off but just a gut feeling so he will then be replaced by a CDM type

 

[Frazier the Lion]

Fair post, I defo think we can rotate enough to give the lads minutes and i'd rather have good depth and risk having one or two who might leave in 26/27 rather than not sufficient depth who end up having to fill in when our inevitable injury crisis rolls around haha

Maybe I'm being glass half empty, but the worst case scenario is one where we don't get enough minutes into some of them and they want to leave, we don't get enough into others so they don't retain their value - and then we go down anyway!

 

[Dave_39]

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[Scout73]

One nagging concern I have is we are assuming we can offload a lot of players easily. Might be harder to offload than it is to buy in some ways.

My sense is a lot will be loans as an insurance for next season. Getting them into the right environment is crucial. Then we will want wages covered you would imagine with PSR. Then there are some on the list we will simply want gone, but them finding a home with the money they get here might be a challenge. I think we may well end up with a few we dont want.

As an aside. Does anyone know if we have a loans manager in the club. We are getting to the stage where one would be helpful.

Def won't be easy, the only thing is we don't have players on huge wages to ship out so that'll help

I reckon a few might get released this summer if no offers are on the table

The loans are the key, need good environments to kick on

 

[FellTop]

will be interesting to see the line up tonight to see if Neil comes in for Sadiki.

Based purely off a single 45 minute appearance (and I guess the knowledge he's just won a league title) Sadiki looked very impressive on Saturday. I think he might surprise you.

Fair enough, I am sure he is a good player. I dont think the Belgian league is a barometer for the premier league and I would be apprehensive of throwing them all in at once. We have to be really careful not to isolate so many new very young lads in a whole new experience for them. For me anyway.

 

[rowley]

Okay so we're back to 606 being the home of only the voices that agree unreservedly with the club approach I see. Noted. Hope some of you remember that next time someone tells you to relax over the lack of a 'Here we go' in any 24 hour period

I genuinely can't get our squad size down below 27 if we get the positions we're linked to filled. That's too many IMO - particularly for a head coach who only managed to get over 1000 mins to 15 players last season (despite there being an extra 8 games)

Don't worry mate. Keep calm.

A long way to go, and a lot of quite smart people on the case. All is well.

 

[Southern A]

Yeah that's probably what I would have, I think we will have a squad of 25/26 this summer

I hate that argument, just because we aren't professional doesn't mean we can't share our views eh

You've made cracking points tbf and some I totally agree with. I think thr Leicester lad could be a special player and he could be a class AM, add him to Diarra Sadiki Le Fee Neil and Rigg and we are set in CM imo. I do think Neil might be off but just a gut feeling so he will then be replaced by a CDM type

The overwhelming point for me if RLB is firmly embedded in the conversations about who to bring in, and is the person who has to manage the squad and their expectations.

Me saying if he wants it I'll back him isn't me dismissing valid views of fans. It's me saying that he's the one who's problem it is so he's the one who gets the benefit of the doubt.

 

[SISAO33]

The whole Neil or Sadiki debate might be moot come 16th August anyway if Neil hasn't signed a contract.

That's the thing I'm most surprised about this window. If somebody had told me after the playoff final we'd get to 21st July with nobody signing a new contract, I'd have said they were fools.

Aye same.

Im absolutely buzzing with how much early business we have done and how impressive it seems

but i thought we’d have had contract renewals by now

im guessing the club will have it all in hand though

 

[CR17]

Aye same.

Im absolutely buzzing with how much early business we have done and how impressive it seems

but i thought we’d have had contract renewals by now

im guessing the club will have it all in hand though

I wonder if we would even announce them, ones with long deals already might have just gotten a pay rise

 

[Southern A]

I wonder if we would even announce them, ones with long deals already might have just gotten a pay rise

loads of them apparently had promotion uplifts built in, so there will definitely have been lots of changes.

Just would have expected a few more extensions for the obvious candidates.

 

[Frazier the Lion]

I get the argument and appreciate where you're coming from. Spending good money but not having it on the pitch for over 2000 minutes seems like a waste.

7 x 2000 is 14000 so it's not miles over 11-12000. Then there are cup games to add in. Add in when players have knocks or suspensions then those players aren't going to be unhappy about not playing in those times. Several players had knocks last season but had to play through them for the team - Jobe for instance.

Aye cup games help, but a bad draw can kill that dead so it isn't the most reliable. And while there's only a 2k difference between the available minutes and the demand, that amounts to the minutes of a whole extra 'regular contributor'. Also it's worth remembering that 2k is the floor in this scenario. We'd expect a player who has a real impact to take closer to 3k - and we certainly hope we have a few of those next season!

 

[SourPatch2]

I'd really like to see some outgoings in the next week or so. Think that will make it more clear to see where incomings will fit.