The debate started when people failed to take the evidence into account.
We've been told but you and other people argued it was just tactics or some other type of mental gymnastics to dismiss what stavely said.
You haven't got a single piece of evidence to suggest 140 plus but you voted for it, but I voted 90 to 110 based on
1. actual evidence (Staveleys words)
2. supportive evidence ( the managers comments and what all the journalists seemed to be saying)
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