Summer transfer thread

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Think its clear the club's aim is to get promoted but not at all costs. Its the last 5 words that are most important.

Personally think it would be a problem if we got promoted this season. we need to organically raise the quality of the player at our club slowly, so that when we go up we don't have to buy close to a whole team. That just isn't sustainable, as we will end up buying loads of players who want to be in the premier league not necessarily with Sunderland. Instead we need players who can grow with us into the premier league and be bolstered on to, not replaced.

We also need to be realistic about the financial gap between the PL and Championship clubs, as well as the feeder clubs.

Watford are in the process of selling THREE strikers EACH for more than our entire club was sold for. And that's on top of several other big sales they've made.

Good post. I’m fully behind the current model and their execution of the plan thus far has been absolutely excellent.

I’d be very interested to see the total valuation of our squad come the end of the season.
 
Think its clear the club's aim is to get promoted but not at all costs. Its the last 5 words that are most important.

Personally think it would be a problem if we got promoted this season. we need to organically raise the quality of the player at our club slowly, so that when we go up we don't have to buy close to a whole team. That just isn't sustainable, as we will end up buying loads of players who want to be in the premier league not necessarily with Sunderland. Instead we need players who can grow with us into the premier league and be bolstered on to, not replaced.

We also need to be realistic about the financial gap between the PL and Championship clubs, as well as the feeder clubs.

Watford are in the process of selling THREE strikers EACH for more than our entire club was sold for. And that's on top of several other big sales they've made.
This! Brentford built gradually came close to going up a few times and look at them now, we will get there but for once we will do things right we are in good hands, let’s enjoy the ride!
 
Think its clear the club's aim is to get promoted but not at all costs. Its the last 5 words that are most important.

Personally think it would be a problem if we got promoted this season. we need to organically raise the quality of the player at our club slowly, so that when we go up we don't have to buy close to a whole team. That just isn't sustainable, as we will end up buying loads of players who want to be in the premier league not necessarily with Sunderland. Instead we need players who can grow with us into the premier league and be bolstered on to, not replaced.

We also need to be realistic about the financial gap between the PL and Championship clubs, as well as the feeder clubs.

Watford are in the process of selling THREE strikers EACH for more than our entire club was sold for. And that's on top of several other big sales they've made.
Sustainable approach.

Too many championship sides throw stupid money looking to get promoted now and again and then end up getting stung later down the line.

Look at Stoke, they can’t spend any money and are forced to bring in loans and frees. I think they’ve brought in 5 on loan already (which is the maximum you can have in a match day squad I believe).
 
dont get me wrong - if we get to the playoff final I want to win it. of course. I'm not saying I dont want us to be promoted

I just think if we are rational about it, then getting promoted too soon could be worse than building slowly

equally we could "fluke" an early promotion this year, sign loads of players who turn out to be absolute gods and qualify for Europe within a year or two. That also could happen. I just think all recent history lessons tell us that "the Brentford way" is the right way.
 
Just a thought - looks like Blackburn are about to get a big fee from Everton for Brereton Diaz... which might suddenly make them able / willing to pay a permanent fee for Van Hecke
 
I wonder if the club have an eye on a free agent or two, but arent prioritising it right now. Danny Drinkwater was rumoured, but that sounds like a wind up. But I wonder if the club might look to bolster what is a very young looking squad in this way, whilst investing in fees for youger players. Would make sense wouldnt it? Someone like Fabian Delph maybe - would he be welcomed by us? I have always rated him but arguably made a couple of moves where his playing time would be limited.
 
I wonder if the club have an eye on a free agent or two, but arent prioritising it right now. Danny Drinkwater was rumoured, but that sounds like a wind up. But I wonder if the club might look to bolster what is a very young looking squad in this way, whilst investing in fees for youger players. Would make sense wouldnt it? Someone like Fabian Delph maybe - would he be welcomed by us? I have always rated him but arguably made a couple of moves where his playing time would be limited.
The free agent guys won't get brought in until the window closes I would suspect
 
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Sustainable approach.

Too many championship sides throw stupid money looking to get promoted now and again and then end up getting stung later down the line.

Look at Stoke, they can’t spend any money and are forced to bring in loans and frees. I think they’ve brought in 5 on loan already (which is the maximum you can have in a match day squad I believe).

It’s the only way we should be doing it, we must have been very close to administration at one point so I’m all for the slow sensible approach.

We have a great starting point really looking at the current first 11 and the way we have performed. No reason why we can’t push for a top half of the table finish with a moderate spend on new players.
 
I wonder if the club have an eye on a free agent or two, but arent prioritising it right now. Danny Drinkwater was rumoured, but that sounds like a wind up. But I wonder if the club might look to bolster what is a very young looking squad in this way, whilst investing in fees for youger players. Would make sense wouldnt it? Someone like Fabian Delph maybe - would he be welcomed by us? I have always rated him but arguably made a couple of moves where his playing time would be limited.
Hes a great shout, he's a quality player. Is he still at City?
 
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Just a thought - looks like Blackburn are about to get a big fee from Everton for Brereton Diaz... which might suddenly make them able / willing to pay a permanent fee for Van Hecke
They’ve been trying for a permanent for ages apparently, don’t think it matters about fee, just don’t think Brighton want to sell
 
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Spot on. The aim of the club is to buy them young and let them grow with the club. I doubt very much that the club is aiming for promotion in the next three years or so. Stabilise in the championship and aim for promotion when the time is right.
I dont believe any club would turn down promotion to the premier league simply because of the riches it brings, stagnation is not progress.
 
Promotion, relegation, should not alter the sustainable model. Otherwise it's not bloody sustainable
Who said it did ? Surely the aim for any club is to play at the highest level. Being happy to exist in the championship is simply not good enough for a club of our size. We are a premier league club in waiting and should aim to get there as quickly as possible.
 
Who said it did ? Surely the aim for any club is to play at the highest level. Being happy to exist in the championship is simply not good enough for a club of our size. We are a premier league club in waiting and should aim to get there as quickly as possible.
Bloody hell, chill out and go for a walk mate. It was just a comment
 
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Promotion, relegation, should not alter the sustainable model. Otherwise it's not bloody sustainable

The problem i have is i doubt any sort of successful team (not just top 6 Premier) are sustainable as such. The Premier top 6 will normally over a period of years will bear losses. Similar for other teams trying to join them.

I reckon sustainability is a bit of a 'holy grail' never quite within reach, but always close.

Not that a football shouldn't be prudent, and certainly buy young or oversees and sell for a profit is doable. If I was an owner they should probably budget for a loss over a period of years that is within their ability to pay.
 
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Think its clear the club's aim is to get promoted but not at all costs. Its the last 5 words that are most important.

Personally think it would be a problem if we got promoted this season. we need to organically raise the quality of the player at our club slowly, so that when we go up we don't have to buy close to a whole team. That just isn't sustainable, as we will end up buying loads of players who want to be in the premier league not necessarily with Sunderland. Instead we need players who can grow with us into the premier league and be bolstered on to, not replaced.

We also need to be realistic about the financial gap between the PL and Championship clubs, as well as the feeder clubs.

Watford are in the process of selling THREE strikers EACH for more than our entire club was sold for. And that's on top of several other big sales they've made.
Absolutely agree however don’t think going up would be a problem as long as we stick to the recruitment model We would likely come straight back down but the experience and the financial boost of a year in the prem an parachute payments would give us a great platform. A number of clubs have done this over the years. Biggest problem would be the fans expectations
 
Bloody hell, chill out and go for a walk mate. It was just a comment
I am very chilled about the whole thing, I simply asked who said it should alter the sustainable model. Your words not mine.
I will be going for a walk in about 3 hours though but I must finish work 1st.
 
Excellent mate. Will have a look at that. I am into anything that gets kids playing the game, particularly those whose families perhaps cant afford the more organised type of football.

I remeber in early 1990's when Rebok held a National boys and girls outdoor football tournament, called The Rebok 5's.

Every Area throughout the UK was invited to host a variety of under 13's to under 9's 5-a-side tournaments.

All area age group catagory winners played in the finals in Bolton Town Cantre in the market square on a outdoor concrete flagstones.

It was the time I was working for the FA local Shcools of Excellence.

Gates'y nephew played in one of the teams, so did Stockdale.

I met the amazing Dennis Law and the miserable Ian StJohn, who wouldn't talk to anyone.

Street football needs to be back for the kids...