@welshred
Any time spurs or City have made the CL it has not been at the expense of Arsenal but rather the expense of Liverpool and/or Chelsea. So i don't know why you sound so sure it would be Arsenal you replace.
And i think most players would LOVE to be at a club who plays in the CL each season. Even if he sees it as a stepping stone to end up at Madrid, he woud be putting himself in the competition he thinks he is worthy of playing in.
@Sisu - i'm not going to waste my time with you anymore, you talk so much nonsense and just don't follow any clear line of thought, your posts are jumpy and random and never actually argue the point raised to you, you always counter with something which isn't relevant to whats being said. So let's just leave it there shall we.
@Sir_red - yeah we could get PSV i believe - they are easily the best team we could face, other than that they are all of a much lower quality. And even against PSV i'd expect us to fairly easily progress.