what did I say, you're a bad boy, not too bad but.. this is a hard slap on the wrist given the FA have deemed him guilty, it could have been a lot worse if they presumed he was being completely out and out racist. They fkn were indeed mulling over the correct punishment whats the bets the police drop their terry case n teh FA say well if the police found no case to answer he can go free without an FA punishment?
"Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black." I'm not racist, my best mates a n****r!
First of all let me just say that I do not view the simple referencing of someone's race as being racist in any way. It can be deemed offensive, but it is not racist. Now my reason is because Suarez claimed United players also call him what he called him albeit in a friendly tone, so it was ok. However Suarez was said to use the term in an offensive context, making it not ok. So had Suarez been black, it would have been ok for him to say it then? I hear his grandfather is black so he does have some black heritage. But is 25% not enough? Does he have to be at least 50% black for it to be ok? Maybe 75%? Or the full 100%? I am sure you see how ridiculous this is.
I completely agree. Many of the people ridiculing the 'Suarez has a black grandfather' defence (which I don't personally feel is relevant) are then going on to say that it's ok to be 'racist' - or what may be construed as such - to one's own race.
It seems he has been branded a racist on very little evidence. If anyone is going to get a label like that the evidence against should be nothing short of conclusive.
What? Why, I'm talking about things that ARE related to this. Actually fella, I think it would be more pertinent for TT to prove what he has said.
To be honest, I think the whole racism thing is not the main issue here. The FA stated that they don't think Suarez is a racist, as did Evra. But the whole incident has turned into a massive embarrassment and distraction for Utd, Liverpool, the FA and the players. I think the harshness of the penalty is an attempt to make sure that no one ever uses any potentially racist term on the pitch again, regardless of context. Much with the Rooney swearing thing - if it hadn't been reported on TV and there wasn't a big fuss about it I think it would all have gone away. Harsh on Suarez, but if it means no one uses a term like that again on the pitch it'll probably be a good thing.
He hasn't been branded a racist, he used a term Evra and the FA deemed to be racist, regardless of it's intention he should have been a little more shrewd in his choice of words, when in rome springs to mind
What confuses me is why racism (and I am not in any way an apologist to it and consider it absolutely wrong and nasty) appears to take precedence above other more serious offences. You see players assaulting others and most of the time they receive no more than a red card and/or a retrospective three match ban. The FA are saying that insults are worse than assaulting someone. It is almost as if they are telling us "if you are angry with someone you are better off with hitting him as your punishment will be lighter". The FA appealing the Rooney red card only helps support this claim. Had Suarez slapped Evra, he would probably have received a straight red and a three match ban and that would have been that. But why? Is violence not worse and shouldn't that be punished a lot more strictly in order to set an example so that it would not happen again? The FA is so determined to act as if it is in touch with the modern era and society with punishing alleged racism, homophobia and the like that it has completely forgot about the more serious offences.
That's how many court cases are decided. Naive of Liverpool to say in a statement: "We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone." All I can say is, John Terry is screwed.
My sentiments exactly, although I fear I can't elaborate on the issue here or I'd be branded racist... What I will say is there seems to be more emphasis on language than on things that are potentially career-threatening like a late challenge or even an intended foul. There are less grey areas with those things, too. Everybody knows you don't go on a football pitch to break somebody's leg, for example. But with language barriers, some players will forever remain ignorant. I wonder if the FA have a list of 'forbidden' words and phrases which they send to all foreign players? I severely doubt it, but if they truly want to get rid of racism, or the use of racist remarks, that'd be a bloody good start. They need to make the matter clear to all players at all clubs.
Are you serious? Many cases never make it to court precisely because it's one man's word over another's. And if they do make it, they're regularly abandoned, not decided. Hence they need to arrange witness testimonies and whatever scrap of evidence they can find. I could walk into a police station tomorrow and claim you threatened me with a gun. It would be my word against yours. Can you see me getting you in court for that?
