Suarez *Evidence*

[Ze]

It's called a discussion mate. Just because you might not like the truth doesn't mean you should lock it.

It's not a discussion at all, not that you'd know what one was - as every thread you appear on it begins to derail into ridiculous nonsense with no "discussion" to be had.

I'm afraid to say; none of anything either you or Christine have said has been the truth.

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

Theres also rumours that someone has leeked to journalist Chris Bascombe that the FA "coached" Evra through his interview and cherry-picked the panel

Liverpool-striker-Luis-Suarez-says-sorry by Chris Bascombe

Ignore the title of the piece and read the content in its entirety.

It is clear that we were pretty much mugged and played from start to finish.

Evra got away with claiming he was called "******" at the start of all this - no wonder LFC and Suarez so vigorously contested this charge. Mr Unreliable got away with the following:
1) Changing the insult
2) Changing the Number of Times he was insulted (5, 7, more than 10)
3) Using a racist insult against Suarez

We (LFC) and Suarez were done up from the get go.

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

...And for th record, for the FIFTH time, I DO appreciate that though Suarez may have used the word negro in an innappropriate manner, and he and the club should have immeadiately THEN apologised for the misunderstanding created and ensured that it was never uttered again...

The massive problem at the start was that the word Evra INITIALLY said Suarez used WAS NEVER UTTERED!

Evra insisted he was called "******"

Since Luis never said "******", I can see exactly why he denied using the word and why the club backed him so fully.

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

Suarez has at last admitted that he was wrong and he has apologised.

Better late than never. It was like pulling out teeth.

That should be the end of the matter.

If he had done this months ago, Liverpool would not have dragged English football through the mud again

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

Suarez has at last admitted that he was wrong and he has apologised.

Better late than never. It was like pulling out teeth.

That should be the end of the matter.

If he had done this months ago, Liverpool would not have dragged English football through the mud again

If Evra hadn't lied and said Suarez called him a "******", this would have been over months ago and the whole sorry farrago would never have gotten off the ground in the first place. But the FA had a political agenda to follow and Evra's lie provided them with the appropriate cover...

 

[CFC: Champs £launderx17]

If Evra hadn't lied and said Suarez called him a "******", this would have been over months ago and the whole sorry farrago would never have gotten off the ground in the first place. But the FA had a political agenda to follow and Evra's lie provided them with the appropriate cover...

KK and his Klan lied not Evra

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

KK and his Klan lied not Evra

Evra lied, claimed Suarez used the word "******" and only retracted it after it was pointed out no such word was said, saying that perhaps (with a bit of FA coaching) the word he heard might have been "Negro"

And with his previous for being unreliable, and this information being from the FA's previous panel, it is somewhat incongruous that the FA this time decided to trust Evra about how many times the word (which he got wrong) was said - Poor Patrice must have dyscalcluia, as well as poor hearing.

But please carry on libelling Kenny and Liverpool FC - I'm sure you'd like to meet Messers Sue, Grabbit and Runne...

 

[Flappy Flanagan (JK)]

You have to pretend you feel they are guilty and stop supporting them.


LFC are not the only people who have said they feel Suarez has been harshly treated, so why Jason Roberts and the Kick it Out Chief should not be criticising Liverpool so heavily.



I do think its time to move on and let it blow over, but I think people are sticking their noses in where they shouldnt be, if nothing else.

 

[Christiansmith]

Evra lied, claimed Suarez used the word "******" and only retracted it after it was pointed out no such word was said, saying that perhaps (with a bit of FA coaching) the word he heard might have been "Negro"

And with his previous for being unreliable, and this information being from the FA's previous panel, it is somewhat incongruous that the FA this time decided to trust Evra about how many times the word (which he got wrong) was said - Poor Patrice must have dyscalcluia, as well as poor hearing.

But please carry on libelling Kenny and Liverpool FC - I'm sure you'd like to meet Messers Sue, Grabbit and Runne...

When you are in a hole you should stop digging.

The club and Suarez have proved you fans all wrong. First the club did not appeal and accepted the verdict (no matter how loud they are shouting and screaming) and second now Suarez has apologised. No doubt the club and even Dalglish the buffoon will be made to apologsie. I have seen articles to that effect and soon you will have egg on your faces. The club, Dalglish and Suarez will make unreserved apologies to all affected by this unsavoury incident.

 

[Tyrannosuarez Rex]

When you are in a hole you should stop digging.

The club and Suarez have proved you fans all wrong. First the club did not appeal and accepted the verdict (no matter how loud they are shouting and screaming) and second now Suarez has apologised. No doubt the club and even Dalglish the buffoon will be made to apologsie. I have seen articles to that effect and soon you will have egg on your faces. The club, Dalglish and Suarez will make unreserved apologies to all affected by this unsavoury incident.

Why would the club appeal? It would mean an extended ban as the FA have frequently shown their disdain for being proven wrong. Just because Suarez has apologised, doesn't mean he is admitting guilt.

 

[Red Hadron Collider]

If he had done this months ago, Liverpool would not have dragged English football through the mud again

FAIL

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

smith is a wum, just ignore... back to youtube son... the other guy is just a "racist" go on then accuse me of something...

this threads fairly boring at this point but it seems no other thread is being used on the lfc board... come on guys nothing going on at all?

 

[Constcrepe]

Whether Evra misheard the word or not, Suarez admitted using a word which in the UK is not acceptable. His claim that in his home country, 'negro' is commonly used, and doesn't show any lack of respect was incorrect as the remarks would be "considered racially offensive in Uruguay and other regions in of Latin America" according to experts.

Not saying that Evra comes out of this whole sorry incident smelling like roses, but Liverpool and Suarez themselves have emerged tainted. Didn't Suarez have to be asked the same question six times by the panel, before admitting he had pinched hadn't Evra to defuse the row, despite claiming so in his witness statement? Also why or why did they wear those bloody t-shirts? After the wonderful sight of John Barnes in a Liverpool shirt back heeling a banana from off the pitch many years ago at time when racism in football was rampant, did they have to parade wearing a t-shirt bearing the image of their player who admitted to using a phrase which most people deem as racist and offensive? Seems like a massive PR disaster.

Very bad affair for Liverpool and indeed Man Utd. Relations between both clubs most times is not good and this kind of row is something both teams and football as a whole doesn't need.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

jason roberts is due a kicking for coming out and getting involved in something thats nothing to do with him so next visit to ewood (seeing blackburn are going down) he should be sorted out.

Go on then wums call me something!

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

When you are in a hole you should stop digging.

The club and Suarez have proved you fans all wrong. First the club did not appeal and accepted the verdict (no matter how loud they are shouting and screaming) and second now Suarez has apologised. No doubt the club and even Dalglish the buffoon will be made to apologsie. I have seen articles to that effect and soon you will have egg on your faces. The club, Dalglish and Suarez will make unreserved apologies to all affected by this unsavoury incident.

liverpool-fc-will-have-learnt-luis-suarez-racism-saga-lessons-now-it-s-time-to-move-on-and-fix-the-damage

When you're faced with deceit, lies and injustice, sometimes its best to mark it up to experience. The FA pushed their agenda, ignored the FUNDAMENTAL inconsistencies in Evra's story, in order to fulfill their agenda. Racial abuse was little to do with the case.

The case was about shouting to the World - "If Blatter isn't serious about racism, we are!!!"

Liverpool FC were open and honest in backing Suarez against the initial accusation of calling Evra a "******" more than ten times.

We've backed him because we thought that this was the case.

The FA Panel, despite a previous ruling by an FA panel which cited Evra's evidence as 'unreliable', decided that his evidence was reliable when given numerous interviews and video evidence to relate to.

Whereas Suarez was visited once for his evidence and was not provided with video evidence to relate to. That he provided inconsistencies is not particularly surprising.

What is surprising is that the panel overlooked Evra's inconsistencies and took his word as gospel.

Its an FA whitewash and we are the victims of a witchhunt. By the time the Terry case is brought, they'll have reformed how they do 'Racism' investigations and Terry will be let off...

 

[Tyrannosuarez Rex]

Why do people keep claiming 'Negro' is racist? By that logic, every Spanish and Portuguese speaker is racist. Even in America, it is not deemed racist.

Suarez and Evra were swapping insults in Spanish during the game. For a league that is supposed to be 'culturally diverse', these charges just prove how English football isn't accepting of other people's cultures.

 

[StJohn_Red_Legend]

Whether Evra misheard the word or not, Suarez admitted using a word which in the UK is not acceptable. His claim that in his home country, 'negro' is commonly used, and doesn't show any lack of respect was incorrect as the remarks would be "considered racially offensive in Uruguay and other regions in of Latin America" according to experts.

Not saying that Evra comes out of this whole sorry incident smelling like roses, but Liverpool and Suarez themselves have emerged tainted. Didn't Suarez have to be asked the same question six times by the panel, before admitting he had pinched hadn't Evra to defuse the row, despite claiming so in his witness statement? Also why or why did they wear those bloody t-shirts? After the wonderful sight of John Barnes in a Liverpool shirt back heeling a banana from off the pitch many years ago at time when racism in football was rampant, did they have to parade wearing a t-shirt bearing the image of their player who admitted to using a phrase which most people deem as racist and offensive? Seems like a massive PR disaster.

Very bad affair for Liverpool and indeed Man Utd. Relations between both clubs most times is not good and this kind of row is something both teams and football as a whole doesn't need.

I can see your point, but the nuances are all wrong IMO.

If you decide you can't wholly trust either side's testimony, you fall back on admissions.

In this case Suarez saying he said "Negro" once. - 4 match ban, and don't say it again.

The T-shirts thing - well, if you had said "Negro" and not intended active offence (i.e., you didn;t intend to be racist), and you were accused of saying "******" more than 10 times, wouldn't you like the support of your workmates?

The entire thing got out of control from the off with the suggestion of "******", thereafter, LFC had to back their man against that kind of accusation.

Remember all the to-ing and fro-ing about exactly what word had been used? No-one knowing exactly, until the FA deigned to come down from their high tower and tell us in the findings. It served their purpose to have this run and run so as to hand down a heavy penalty to put one over on FIFA and Blatter.

It should have been a much simpler said "Negro" 4 match ban, end of story, not a three ring bloody circus...

 

[Constcrepe]

Whether we like it or not the experts (supposedly) brought in by the FA said it was deemed as racist in South America and in the UK even some councils claim the word is racist as it has racist overtones and is linked with the slave trade.

While some find it incredible that the term is considered racist I personally find it hard to accept that this was a witch hunt against Liverpool FC.

 

[Constcrepe]

I can see your point, but the nuances are all wrong IMO.

If you decide you can't wholly trust either side's testimony, you fall back on admissions.

In this case Suarez saying he said "Negro" once. - 4 match ban, and don't say it again.

The T-shirts thing - well, if you had said "Negro" and not intended active offence (i.e., you didn;t intend to be racist), and you were accused of saying "******" more than 10 times, wouldn't you like the support of your workmates?

The entire thing got out of control from the off with the suggestion of "******", thereafter, LFC had to back their man against that kind of accusation.

Remember all the to-ing and fro-ing about exactly what word had been used? No-one knowing exactly, until the FA deigned to come down from their high tower and tell us in the findings. It served their purpose to have this run and run so as to hand down a heavy penalty to put one over on FIFA and Blatter.

It should have been a much simpler said "Negro" 4 match ban, end of story, not a three ring bloody circus...

I do partly agree with you in regard that the ban was a little high. I remember seeing the headlines and was more than shocked at a 8 match ban. However I disagree over the t-shirts. Yes the players may have believed and still do that the lad isn't a racist but they must have felt uncomfortable wearing those shirts especially when it was already known that Suarez had admitted using the word.

 

[Yurilly]

Why do people keep claiming 'Negro' is racist? By that logic, every Spanish and Portuguese speaker is racist. Even in America, it is not deemed racist.

Suarez and Evra were swapping insults in Spanish during the game. For a league that is supposed to be 'culturally diverse', these charges just prove how English football isn't accepting of other people's cultures.

I agree. Negro means black in a few different languages, mainly those with Latin origins, but many people are ignorant to this. For me the main focus is if Suarez targetted his attack on Evra because he is black, not because of the language he used to describe his race.