Suarez *Evidence*
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Because we are in England and this was in an English Premier League match.
Saying something to one of your team mates and saying it to a stranger (or opponent) is different. The context is different.
If one of your friends calls you a "****" you will just laugh it off. If a stranger calls you a "****" most people would take offence to it.
Depends on context. If Suarez used the word in a match against one of Liverpools fiercist rivals it is hardly going to be a complement.
what the context of it being said in spanish to somebody who had just spoken spanish to you?
This is a highly subjective and therefore unsafe conclusion that seems to be based on one protagonist being able to express himself better than another. Suarez's inability to explain himself clearly does not mean he is guilty.
The FA seem at pains to point out that they don't think Suarez is racist, yet they hand out a ban which is consistent with them believing he is ( especially with the dark hints of "permanent suspension").
Furthermore, to all the Suarez haters gloating over this, think about what this means for English football in general. In future, for the FA to be seen to be consistent, any player can now accuse another of a racist slur and have him punished without the need to present any corroborative evidence. This could happen to a player on any team.
The FA has set a precedent it's going to find impossible to maintain- unless it acts the same in every similar circumstance, it will open itself to accusations of victimizing Suarez for political expedience.
The FA seem at pains to point out that they don't think Suarez is racist, yet they hand out a ban which is consistent with them believing he is ( especially with the dark hints of "permanent suspension").
Furthermore, to all the Suarez haters gloating over this, think about what this means for English football in general. In future, for the FA to be seen to be consistent, any player can now accuse another of a racist slur and have him punished without the need to present any corroborative evidence. This could happen to a player on any team.
The FA has set a precedent it's going to find impossible to maintain- unless it acts the same in every similar circumstance, it will open itself to accusations of victimizing Suarez for political expedience.
Everything that is being said on here has been said countless times already.
All this statement shows that Evras statement was unreliable, and so was the statement from Suarez. We can all speculate but none of us knows who said what, and neither do the Fa.
We will all have different opinions on what was the truth and the context it was/might of been spoken in but the fact that remains is Suarez was fined and banned. We will never know what happened so the only question now is will Liverpool appeal it?
All this statement shows that Evras statement was unreliable, and so was the statement from Suarez. We can all speculate but none of us knows who said what, and neither do the Fa.
We will all have different opinions on what was the truth and the context it was/might of been spoken in but the fact that remains is Suarez was fined and banned. We will never know what happened so the only question now is will Liverpool appeal it?
Bored of talking and thinking about it tbh, if he gets banned, so be it, it will give big Andy a run of games which he badly needs and Suarez will come back fresh and hungry, so whatever.
It's a cultural thing! LS should really have known better not being in his own country or continent. In brazil you can get 3 years prison for racist comments, yet I have a friend called Negrita? I'm referred to as gringo every day of my life, and here that's perfectly acceptable, no problem! I used to take offence at it, but it's pointless, it's their culture. I have discussed this case with a few brazilians and they can't see what the big deal is? That should tell u all u need to know of the mindset of south America. LS should have been better advised by his fellow players, after all we have Lucas and maxi who would have needed to make the cultural adjustment. Bottom line is that this happened in jolly old England, and the culture there is not as forgiving of such language in any context.
As he said '¿Por que, negro?',which he does admit to,this is a racist comment in Spanish.It would only not be if he were talking to a friend and even then it's not something you would say often.
The main point is why did he even say negro?,this is where the FA have a problem(in the rules he can't say this).
The main point is why did he even say negro?,this is where the FA have a problem(in the rules he can't say this).
As a brown Liverpool fan I find it reprehensible that this case could even be brought. Suarez admitted to using the word Negro which is very different from using the more potent N word. This followed from a comment by Evra on Suarez's birthplace. Having been called paki my entire life I have no qualms about being called Indian. As far as I understand it Negro us like calling someone Indian or brown, but is not the same as the more charged N word. The Manchester United staffed FA are spinning a dangerous web and I look forward to both the appeal and the outcome of Terry's case.
Look like its just the FA believe Evra and not Suarez,ann they dont have any real evidence.Evra claims Suarez said negro 7 times,...........but no else heard it
In ORIGINAL refs report, Evra claimed Suarez used word ni**gers, .............which was it Patrice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Evra admits to saying your sisters ****,he can say it surely I can write it, in Spanish,but he claims he cant really understand Spanish???????
We reject Mr Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was black, however certain Mr Kuyt was"
Evra STARTED the key exchange with Suarez by saying "Concha de tu hermana" which literally means "Your sister's pussy".
LFC accepted in full the evidence provided by Hernandez. The FA asked that parts of it be disregarded. The Commission went with the FA....Hmm.............................
In ORIGINAL refs report, Evra claimed Suarez used word ni**gers, .............which was it Patrice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Evra admits to saying your sisters ****,he can say it surely I can write it, in Spanish,but he claims he cant really understand Spanish???????
We reject Mr Kuyt's evidence that Mr Evra said that the referee was only booking him because he was black, however certain Mr Kuyt was"
Evra STARTED the key exchange with Suarez by saying "Concha de tu hermana" which literally means "Your sister's pussy".
LFC accepted in full the evidence provided by Hernandez. The FA asked that parts of it be disregarded. The Commission went with the FA....Hmm.............................
Liverpool FC Statement.
So the club recieved the evidence on the 30th of December. That means that we have until the 13th of January to decide whether to appeal or not.
That leaves Suarez available for the Manchester City league game (3/01/2012) the FA Cup game with Oldham (6/01/2012) and the first leg of the Carling Cup semi-final with Manchester City (11/01/2012)
So the club recieved the evidence on the 30th of December. That means that we have until the 13th of January to decide whether to appeal or not.
That leaves Suarez available for the Manchester City league game (3/01/2012) the FA Cup game with Oldham (6/01/2012) and the first leg of the Carling Cup semi-final with Manchester City (11/01/2012)
Whether Suarez said it or not, the FA's case and reason for the ban is not based on that. The FA have based it upon the fact that Suarez has a limited understanding of the English language, wasnt able to express himself in a very eloquent manner and was deemed to be a 'unrealiable' witness. Whereas Evra, who has been in England for alot longer and has a full comprehension of English and was able to express himself better.
So in other words it was one guy against another and they picked the one who they could understand better. In a real court and not a kangeroo court, this wouldnt even have made it to trail.
So in other words it was one guy against another and they picked the one who they could understand better. In a real court and not a kangeroo court, this wouldnt even have made it to trail.
