Ermm, maybe not the right example? Didn't Moyes do it and Neville got carded for diving and then Pulis had the same stunt and Charlie Adam got carded for diving? Think the timing of this is wrong. Glad he admitted it but then like Gerrez said, the win at all costs rubs the wrong way with a lot of people. Edit: These managers wanted to stamp out diving not protect their players, I understand that.
this says a lot about you if it is your actual logic or are you taking the piss? if the former then if the latter then.. what can I say
The timing was the same, Rodgers whine came days before Suarez did this; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUeP9FlS0XI The difference being that post match Rodgers claimed Suarez was being 'vilified', whereas Moyes was rightly embarrassed, offered no excuse for his captains dive & said he'd deal with him Diving in general needs to be erradicated from the game & imo the only way they'll sort it is by retrospectively banning players who do it. Most strikers have gone down in the box to try & win a penalty, so Suarez isn't on his own.
Tobes has to reach a good depth up his arse to pull out that sheite It's not like he's been having this crap since the world cup is it?ffs, not vilified?, you are really fktarded. No one said it was just the stoke game, it was 500% obvious to everyone including Brendan that it was a dive, a dive almost as bad as Neville's
It says a lot about your 'logic' that you can't actually post a sensible retort to my post, that argues an actual point
I just love arguments that have justifications for diving by your own player or that the manager or player were quicker to admit or apologise for it because that makes it all better. You realise how sad that sounds yeah? As opposed to "this player dived, diving is wrong......," If the ref catches it, punishment, if not lucky boy. Like bad tackles, shirt pulls , elbows and any other rule break. Cheating is what it is: get caught get punished. There's no browny points for admitting to it or feeling guilty after the fact. Have strong moral feelings about it to the point you have to comment on others behaviour? don't do it yourself. As a manager: don't like players who do it? Don't wait for your players to be caught officially; fine them when YOU witness it. No?: Happy to benefit from the points? then shut your moralising mouth.
what point, you just banging on and on and don't listen so why would I bother, like pissing in the wind trying to debate logically with you or Shogun You love Neville for doing it and hate Suarez for doing it, one plays for your lot, one for ours. That's all there is too it mate, you are going to tear a tendon reaching for those straws. Suarez admits a dive, he could hardly deny it, the whole BR thing, it has FK all to do with this thread BUT it s the only direction your bile can flow cos otherwise calling Suarez a cheat and Neville not a cheat is deludedmuch. You just cannot accept they did the same thing and should be treated the same. Both handled the ball to either prevent or score a goal, Neville did it intentionally Suarez didn't but you ignore blatant facts in your hunt for gratification via slating a Liverpool player careful now Don't fall of that bandwagon
No-one said that the fact that Moyes & Neville admitted & apologised for it, made it 'all better' though did they? What he did was wrong, no argument, no excuses. The question was asked "what was the difference" between the Suarez & Neville incidents. My answer was quite simply the reaction of both clubs post match, which is fact. Rodgers said post Stoke "I believe some people need to develop a sense of perspective and I also believe in this moment the vilification of Luis is both wrong and unfair" & Moyes said post the derby "“I said to him it’s completely wrong, you don’t do that". I think it shows a defined difference in attitude personally, each to their own..............
From BBC Sportsday. 1430:FOOTBALLLiverpool manager Brendan Rodgers has described Luis Suarez's admission of diving as "unacceptable" and said the Uruguayan forward would be "dealt with internally". So there you have it Tobes. He's getting strap-oned at Melwood as we speak....Ouch!!!!!
Yeah but its easy to take this out of context of a season so far. he dived and the reaction was far far over the top, he got stamped on in that game, where was the outcry, no many fans started saying he deserved it. BR's comments were fueled by what has been happening since the start of the season and the fact we couldn't buy a penalty and then when Suarez dives the reaction is over the top. Not just the stoke game. Also, Moyes would feel obliged to say that about Neville AFTER what he said about Suarez To further that point here you are trying to separate the two identical incidents.
More from Rodgers. 1446: FOOTBALLMore from Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers who says Luis Suarez could face sanctions from Liverpool after admitting to Fox Sports in Argentina that he dived during a match at Stoke earlier this season. "I think it is wrong. It is unacceptable. I have spoken to Luis and it will be dealt with internally," Rodgers said. "[Diving] is not something we advocate. Our ethics are correct."
We were wondering what you would say the difference was, being that you called Suarez (sarcastically) 'a model pro' - hence the Neville comparison. Read back.... !
You prove my point some what Tobes because I deliberately didn't direct my comments at any one team, player or manager. My comments (if your preconceptions can be removed before reading them) can & were aimed at any player, any manager, any fan who highlights the negative actions of others while coming up with transparent & pathetic false justifications for the very same behaviour in their own. So BR can be seen to be guilty of it just as much as Moyes. As you & some of my lot have pointed out BR made comments about unfair treatment of Suarez. He had a good point that was undermined totally by Suarez actions at stoke. If he had come out after Stoke & said "I can't go to refs & ask for fairness if my own player cheats" then he would have still held the moral high ground. He didn't so he can no longer complain about Suarez treatment by refs this year.as far as I know he hasn't repeated his original complaint about refs since the dive(I might be wrong). If he has then he's on very Shakey ground! Your manager made some clear statements with a moral stance, yes he (when they were officially caught), criticised his own players but will he take action if he sees it & the refs don't? Will he go to the papers & name & shame those players? He hasn't so he should shut his mouth about others. Of course he won't, neither will BR or Fergie because its nothing to do with a moral stance or attitude they hold but gamesmanship & an attempt to fool officials that they are more hard done by or another team is worse at it & hope to gain advantage by colouring a refs opinion. In other words all of our managers are guilty of verbal "dives"
Not sure if you're just having a funny here but bearing in mind he said 'diving isn't something we advocate' I'd say it's the dive itself.
should imagine angry he admitted to it as its made him look silly for defending him. if he was angry about him diving that could be dealt with behind closed doors and we probably would never have heard about it and would have been a simple "we don't do things that way here"
If that was the case, I'm sure Rodgers would have said something at the time because it was quite clear he dived?
