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Style over Substance?

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by Spurf, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. Roo

    Roo Well-Known Member

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    i'm anticipating a spurlock rant. I can sense it.... <laugh>
     
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  2. Spurlock

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    <laugh> just trying to get me some ammo from somewhere.
     
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  3. PleaseNotPoll

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    The problem with a comparison to last season is that we've already played and beaten two of the newly promoted teams at their own grounds.
    You could just swap them for relegated sides, but would that be fair, as they were bad enough to go down, so you'd expect us to have got decent results against them?
     
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  4. Spurlock

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    just a rough idea would suffice though i think PNP.

    the free flowing performances aside..i dont think there is much difference. Yet as Hudd said..this new system/thinking needs time to develop.
     
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  5. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    NUFC, WBA, WAFC we've dropped points from last season.
    MUFC we gained points.
    QPR, Villa is the same.
    Reading and Soton are newly promoted teams so it depends how you want to work them out. If we compare them to games like Wolves, Blackburn and Bolton from last season, we beat all 3 away so if we compare them results, we're level there too.

    So I make it 3 points down on last season, is that correct? (sh*t at maths) - NUFC 2-2 to 2-1 = -1 point. WBA 1-0 to 1-1 = -2 points. WAFC 3-1 to 0-1 = -3 points. The win at Utd =+3.
     
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  6. PleaseNotPoll

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    We gained a point against Norwich at home, sadly.
    Oh, we also progressed one round further in the League Cup.
     
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  7. Spurlock

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    well done SOS <ok>


    3 points for a new manager and new team?

    not too shabby..and the performances will improve once the first team does.
     
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  8. Dier Hard

    Dier Hard G'day mate!

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    Oh yeah, thanks PNP, NCFC at home is +1 so we're 2 down from last season.
     
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  9. Roo

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    i think this is only fair if we consider who we'd played at this time last season though. it's all well and good comparing results against the same teams, but those results were scattered over different times of the season.

    last year we'd played the folowing at this point:

    August
    13 Everton (H) (postponed)
    20 Man Utd (A) Lost
    27 Man City (H) Lost

    September
    10 Wolverhampton (A) Won
    17 Liverpool (H) Won
    24 Wigan (A) Won

    October
    1 Arsenal (H) Won
    15 Newcastle (A) Draw
    22 Blackburn (A) Won
    29 QPR (H) Won

    November
    5 Fulham (A) Won

    That's 10 games, and 22 points, having played United, Arsenal, City, Liverpool and Newcastle. All of the "top teams" except for Chelsea and Everton.

    the run didn't stop there either, we carried on to win another 3 in a row after fulham, before we were eventually defeated and the amazing run came to an end.

    As SOS has said, this season we've only played 3 of those teams above. - Newc, United and Chels. and whilst we've won away at united, we've dropped points that we really shouldn't have.

    Whilst it's great to be optimistic, we're far from similar to this time last year. 5 points behind already and the football isn't good either. (and the next 3 games this time last year were 3 more wins!)
     
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  10. No Kane No Gain

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    We lost a point against Chelsea too.
     
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  11. NSIS

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    For as long as I can remember Spurs have been viewed as a soft touch. The view has always been, not without some justification, that if you get stuck into them, they'll fold. I'm sure that it's a problem that has not escaped past managers, but still the problem exists.
     
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  12. totsfan

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    with the Manager still trying to get the player's used to a new system,and key players out injured,we doing better than a lot of team's in our position would.When we come around to playing the stronger team's that we haven't met yet,we could be used to the system by then,and have a fully fit squad!.Some people should stop complaining and give it time,it was never going to be an instant fix
     
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  13. Spurf

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    It is amazing NSIS that through all the different managers and players for many years the same problem of being a soft touch presents itself.

    No doubt being faithful to our flowing football we tend to pick style players over workhorses. Perhaps we just need to concentrate on getting these gifted players to work bloody harder and not rely on their talents.

    A snooker analogy we tend to pack our team with Jimmy Whites which is great but we need a few Thorburns or Steve Davis's to grind as well.
     
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  14. Sidney Fiddler

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    Trying not to use rose tinted glasses as some have,
    What style?
    This season has been awful , no tempo, NO swagger, little creative play, very boring
    at times , hence all the booing .
    Results have been good but the football has been pants at times.
    We had a lot of substance early season with our 2 defensive midfield players but that
    went belly up. No doubt Parker and Kaboul would add more fighting qualities
    but style will be in short supply.
     
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  15. totsfan

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    The creative play is missing at the moment because with have no one in midfield to provide it,hopefully when Dembele comes back ,he will provide some,and as i said before and Hudd has said,we are still trying to get used to a way of playing,when it all comes together it may well be different
     
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  16. notsosmartspur

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    ...as you well know! :D Softening the blow with the last bit me thinks!
     
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  17. NSIS

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    Yeah, I wouldn't disagree. The problem seems to be that, with the possible exception of Parker, any " Steve Davis' we hire seem to catch the Spurs disease, rather than the other way around.
     
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  18. Spurlock

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    Give AVB this much.

    Judging from tonights line up and formation, he listens to the fans.
     
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  19. District Line

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    I think it is. A change in formation from the favoured 4-4-2 has left you less compact and more exposed to counter attacks. It wouldn't be a problem is you were as fluid and attractive to watch as you were under Redknapp but that isn't the case
     
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  20. AshfordGill

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    I do enjoy the debate here, now obviously you guys watch a lot more of Spurs than I do, and I rely on the opinions here to a certain extent, but how often did you play 4-4-2 last season, I recall some frustration at Harry's insistence on always playing VdV, but as far as I can see from the outside you are doing OK when you consider that 7 of your first choice starting 11 from last season have not been available 3 of whom were amongst the best in their position in the league (Van Der Vaart, Modric and King) add to that injuries to Adebayor, Kaboul, Parker and Assou Ekotto,and that's 4 more of your most consistent performers from last year who have barely kicked a ball, Vertonghen and Dembele are good additions but Dempsey is no VdV I am afraid the man oozed class. I enjoyed last nights game and still think that come May you will be there or thereabouts - good luck hope you win on Sunday I still hate city!
     
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