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Style of play/injury crisis

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Toonitus, Nov 30, 2023.

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Will how change Newcastle's style of play

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  2. No

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  1. Roland Deschain

    Roland Deschain Well-Known Member

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    The truth is somewhere in the middle. The most prevalent issue was the poor transfer policy which led to Howe wanting to pick the same starting XI every match, because in Hall, Tino and Barnes he didn't trust any of them enough to start PL games.

    Now we're in a pickle because confidence has taken a battering. We're now saying if we miss 2 or 3 first team players, we are going to get beaten particularly away from home. That's not good at all.
     
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  2. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    This is what I'm saying tbh mate I mean luck exists but so does howes poor rotation and use of substitutions.
     
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  3. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

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    Lack of rotation doesn't lead to dislocated shoulders and a random toe injury though, you know that but you are just playing silly bugger.

    It may lead to fatigue yes (see Tripper) but not freak injuries.
     
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  4. Eddie's British Plodders

    Eddie's British Plodders Well-Known Member

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    Actually:

    1. You're wrong - if a player is selected and starts a game then their chance of sustaining an impact injury will not be reduced dramatically depending on how much the squad has been rotated and whether they have been recently rested or not.

    2. You're wrong - the type of injury is not irrelevant. It is completely relevant. If the squad were currently riddled with muscle injuries then yes, it could reasonably be argued that training and match workload was a significant contributory factor. They're not, so it's not. If the impact injuries hadn't occurred, then Howes reluctance to rotate as much as we'd like may possibly have resulted in muscle injuries to some of those players, but we don't know how many, nor to what extent, and this would be a separate argument anyway.

    3. You're wrong - no one has tried to deliberately misrepresent your position to make it easier to refute (there's really no need) so no strawman argument has been used.

    4. You're wrong - it's completely logical to look at the number of random, lengthy impact injuries that we have collected throughout the squad over relatively a short period of time (luck to you) and say that this situation has very likely been the main contributory factor to our poor form and a very major contributory factor in current level of player fatigue, reduced squad management options and related ongoing elevated injury risk.
     
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  5. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

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  6. Eddie's British Plodders

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  7. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    It does if it happens
     
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  8. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

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    Barnes got injured in his first start for the club.

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  9. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    1. This is a strawman
    2. This is a strawman
    3. You're doing it now
    4. This is a strawman.
     
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  10. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    Luck and poor rotation is my view mate
     
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  11. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

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    Which of the injuries are down to poor rotation though? Let's get to the specifics.
     
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  12. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    Look I don't think I can explain this to you mate I've tried several times.

    You can roll with luck I look deeper into explanations..

    People have actually agreed howes rotation and reluctance to make changes all season so why am I wrong to sight that and just luck
     
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  13. Eddie's British Plodders

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    Lol. You've been off form recently. Probably need a rest.
     
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  14. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    You don't seem to understand my position and I can tell because of your replies.

    Maybe it's my fault who cares but I'm not denying you your view because we are including myself entitled to an opinion.
     
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  15. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

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    I'm just asking which of the injuries you think are because of the poor rotation.
     
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  16. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    I refer you to my previous explanation regarding predicting the future and risk management.

    I wouldn't care you've all sighted Howe hasn't been great when it comes to rotation and subs but for some reason are up in arms that I am.
     
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  17. ToonArmy1892

    ToonArmy1892 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think it has led to most of the injuries though, you do but can't give names, it shouldn't be that hard.
     
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  18. Eddie's British Plodders

    Eddie's British Plodders Well-Known Member

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    Flat earthers are entitled to an opinion too. They're still wrong... Though I'm sure if you were one, when challenged you would point out that the surface of the earth is 70% covered in water, which is non-carbonated, and this what you always meant.

    Your position includes blaming impact injuries on a lack of squad rotation, so it's wrong at that point.
     
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  19. Toonitus

    Toonitus Well-Known Member

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    That's just a silly comparison sorry.

    And no it doesn't.

    Another strawman <diva>
     
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  20. ToonArmy1892

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