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STRUGLING Swans

Discussion in 'Swansea City' started by DragonPhilljack, Jan 20, 2014.

  1. mustyfrog

    mustyfrog Well-Known Member

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    would not say the worst, Moyes is the worst, but for once Dai I agree, ML needs to be sacked, but who will replace him
     
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  2. roofjack_22

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    By the way , who says were strugling , weren't just not winning injured against massive clubs, while being suckered by refeeres , could happen to any tesm playing in europe .
     
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  3. Terror ball

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    He got on in the Europa games and wasn't all that.
    Also he hasn't been ripping up trees for the u-21s...ask the Cardiff fans, he was anonymous against their u-21 team.
    Perhaps ML should give me a go? I used to be a pretty good player you know :)

    He chucked Ben Davies in the deep end but hasn't put Donnelly in the firing line despite an injury crisis.
    Your answer lies somewhere in there.

    It is some suporters who have lost the plot...listen to the media too much. Those in the media never knew **** all about the Swans but sell copy by drumming up fear and loathing.
     
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  4. Terror ball

    Terror ball Well-Known Member

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  5. neveroffsidereff

    neveroffsidereff Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with having words even a scrap, helps clear the air and shows both are passionate players.
     
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  6. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    At least there was no evidence of golf clubs being used :)
     
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  7. NorfolkSwan

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    Can't even imagine a true Swans fan calling the police. Probably an unscrupulous reporter from our best friends at Wales Online ;)
     
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  8. MasterOfNone

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    Monk probably told him to stop chasing the ball and to go with the man instead or at least be aware of what's around him.
     
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  9. ValleyGraduate12

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    Hopefully because his defending has been poor lately, he's been like a poor version of David Luiz running around the place. For me we are desperate for a PL version of Monk in defence.
     
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  10. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    One story is that Monk will be taking an Academy team as their coach and won't be coming back as a registered player .
     
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  11. Stumpy

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    No reasons as to why we're struggling dragon, no thoughts ? just another kick when we're down dragon? another agenda spewing post ?

    As you well know drag-on, we are currently playing our 'B' team, this due to an unfortunate yet huge injury list; care to blame someone for that drag-on? The list can be directly attributed to the fact that we are fighting on two fronts, Prem and Europa, just in case you couldn't work it out drag-on. This inevitably brings physical and mental fatigue to an already small, but beautifully put together, squad.

    If we were playing poorly with a full team including Michu, JDG, Dyer, Hernandez, Canas, Vorm and a fully fit Rangel (who is still carrying a strain) and if one of our midfielders, key or otherwise, stayed to fight for his place instead of deserting us to pursue personal glory and, if we had no mid week distractions in Europa which would allow us to train properly and recover sufficiently between games then I might share your pedantic concern dragon, but the reasons are plain to see. You again choose to ignore the obvious and instead choose to boot us while we're down. Shameful :emoticon-0172-mooni

    We are actually victims of our own success under Luadrup drag-on. Won our first cup, gained our highest position in the football league system in our entire history, qualified for Europa and subsequently the knock out stages, first up Napoli yay!. All of this success and achievement has come to us with Michael Laudrup's at the helm and with his signings on the pitch.

    Looking forward, I can do that as I have no petulant agendas to support unlike some, I see us finishing the season with approx 42pts (plus) and I see my fellow Jacks and I looking forward to a 4th year in the prem.

    Sorry to disappoint you and yours dragon baby, but there is a HUGE light looming at the end of this tunnel called Premiership Football 2014-2015.
     
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  12. Nottage Jack

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    erm, yes they do actually. You can get Stats to show whatever you want; it's called
    Inappropriate or Hasty Generalization; AKA No-limits Fallacy; AKA proof by numbers falsehood

    Taking one or more non-exhaustive examples from a group that have a property, and making a generalization that everything in that group has that property.

    3 is odd, and it is a prime number.
    13 is odd, and it is a prime number.
    97 is odd, and it is a prime number.
    Therefore, all odd numbers are prime numbers.

    In short, mistaking inductive reasoning for deductive reasoning;

    Here's a stat for you;
    Stat period = last 6 games Home and Away played by swansea (= 6 matches x3points = 18 points)
    Number of games LOST to teams outside of top 7 during this period = NIL
    Number of points dropped by Swansea against teams outside of top 7 during this period = 2 points out of 18 (= 11% loss rate out of 100%)

    Just give me the stats and also let me know what outcome you would like the stats to prove, and I can prove it as FACT ! even if it's wrong!
     
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  13. swanseaandproud

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    Sorry i know most fans on here hate to see me prove them wrong all the time but you have to know what you are talking about in the first place..<ok> they seem to think this is a little blip that will get better <laugh> not realizing this blip has been going on for a whole year.<doh> Stats never lie and if you knew anything about football then you would not need stats to know we have been going down hill since Rodgers left....False hope and very deluded if you think laudrup has done well last season and this season....the reality is below. stats rule get use to it and stop living in fantasy land.. this is the only board that thinks bottom of the stats laudrup has done great and is the best manager ever...<laugh> dear oh dear We are crying with laughter.<wah> <laugh> ...


    1 Manchester City (2) 8 7 1 0 23 11 12 2.87 1.37 2.75 22 WwwWWwWd
    2 Chelsea (3) 8 6 1 1 15 6 9 1.87 0.75 2.37 19 WwwWWdWl
    3 Tottenham Hotspur (5) 8 6 1 1 16 11 5 2.00 1.37 2.37 19 wWwWDwLw
    4 Arsenal (1) 8 5 2 1 14 9 5 1.75 1.12 2.12 17 WwWwwDlD
    5 Liverpool (4) 8 5 1 2 23 11 12 2.87 1.37 2.00 16 DwWllWwW
    6 Everton (6) 8 4 3 1 13 7 6 1.62 0.87 1.87 15 dWdWLwWd
    7 Manchester United (7) 8 5 0 3 14 9 5 1.75 1.12 1.87 15 lWLwwWwL
    8 Newcastle United (8) 8 4 1 3 13 7 6 1.62 0.87 1.62 13 wLlLWwDw
    9 Sunderland (19) 8 2 4 2 10 8 2 1.25 1.00 1.25 10 DwLdwDdL
    10 Crystal Palace (16) 8 3 1 4 6 9 -3 0.75 1.12 1.25 10 WlDlwLlW
    11 Southampton (9) 8 2 3 3 11 12 -1 1.37 1.50 1.12 9 dWLlwLdD
    12 Norwich City (12) 8 2 3 3 6 7 -1 0.75 0.87 1.12 9 WldLLdDw
    13 Fulham (17) 8 3 0 5 10 22 -12 1.25 2.75 1.12 9 lLWlwLlW
    14 Stoke City (14) 8 2 2 4 10 18 -8 1.25 2.25 1.00 8 lLDllWdW
    15 West Bromwich Albion (13) 8 1 4 3 7 10 -3 0.87 1.25 0.87 7 DlWddDlL
    16 Hull City (11) 8 1 3 4 10 10 0 1.25 1.25 0.75 6 lLlWLdDd
    17 Aston Villa (10) 8 1 2 5 6 13 -7 0.75 1.62 0.62 5 dLwDLlLl
    18 West Ham United (18) 8 1 2 5 10 18 -8 1.25 2.25 0.62 5 LwlDLlDl
    19 Cardiff City (20) 8 1 1 6 6 18 -12 0.75 2.25 0.50 4 lLlDLlWl
    20 Swansea City (15) 8 0 3 5 7 14 -7 0.87 1.75 0.37 3 LlLdlLdD
     
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  14. Matthew Bound Still Lurks

    Matthew Bound Still Lurks Well-Known Member

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    Fair play never fails , I can set my clock to his timing :emoticon-0102-bigsm, just on question Dai, all your own work ?
     
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  15. neveroffsidereff

    neveroffsidereff Well-Known Member

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    Right thought it was worth looking at where Newcastle were this time last year.

    Good one to compare against as were both had/having to play in the Europa League.

    After 24 games Newcastle had 24pts, and in 15th place. Now we've played 22 games and have 22pts and in 15th place. So if we get 4 points from the next two game which is very doable then were 2 points in front of Newcastle's total.

    Newcastle eventually finished 16th with 41pts. I don't want to finish 16th but would take it if offered. I still believe we will get anything from 42/44 points.

    POS LP CLUB P W D L GF GA GD PTS
    1 (1) Manchester United 24 19 2 3 59 31 28 59
    2 (2) Manchester City 24 15 7 2 45 19 26 52
    3 (3) Chelsea 24 13 7 4 49 24 25 46
    4 (4) Tottenham Hotspur 24 12 6 6 41 29 12 42
    5 (5) Everton 24 10 11 3 37 27 10 41
    6 (6) Arsenal 24 10 8 6 48 29 19 38
    7 (7) Liverpool 24 9 8 7 42 30 12 35
    8 (8) Swansea City 24 8 10 6 34 27 7 34
    9 (9) West Bromwich Albion 24 10 4 10 34 34 0 34
    10 (10) Stoke City 24 6 12 6 24 29 -5 30
    11 (11) Sunderland 24 7 8 9 27 31 -4 29
    12 (14) Fulham 24 7 7 10 36 41 -5 28
    13 (12) West Ham United 24 7 6 11 27 36 -9 27
    14 (13) Norwich City 24 6 9 9 25 40 -15 27
    15 (15) Newcastle United 24 6 6 12 30 42 -12 24
    16 (16) Southampton 24 5 8 11 31 42 -11 23
    17 (19) Reading 24 4 8 12 30 45 -15 20
    18 (17) Wigan Athletic 24 5 5 14 27 45 -18 20
    19 (18) Aston Villa 24 4 8 12 20 46 -26 20
    20 (20) Queens Park Rangers 24 2 10 12 18 37 -19 16
    POS LP CLUB P W D L GF GA GD PTS
     
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  16. Terror ball

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    so any small club that has a run of fixtures that include most of the big boys like us and Cardiff (bottom of the table above) should get rid of their manager because their getting relegated.
    Pitiful logic.
     
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  17. swan_and_only

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    I know Dai how can we cope with the decline we only won the calling cup and fished 9th in the prem. #laudrupout
     
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  18. swanseaandproud

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    your not basing your theory on that are you...oh my god.....try looking further than that and look at a whole years results and you may get a bigger picture...and as for comparing us with a big club like the toon then your clutching at straws here. they had more wins and points and had two clubs that were a lot worse than we have...there is no comparison there at all....What difference can laudrup do now that he has not been able to do for a year. He wont change and thats the problem and i think by his attitude he don't really care as he will still get his big bucks anyway as he says bye bye swansea and ride off into pastures new not giving us another thought.why cant you see what other boards are saying and football pundits and facebook and twitter.....how you cant see the reality is beyond comprehension. the premiership is far to hard for him as everyone apart from some on here knows all to well...
     
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  19. swan_and_only

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    Because, I believe and truly think that we will win our next few games and avoid relegation! My comparison with Newcastle is not saying we're as good as them it's just stating that Newcastle suffered the demands of the Europa league last season, so why expect us to be any different!

    Dai your problem is that you don't read what people type, you just look and take out bits to for your pathetic hysterical view points! The sooner you do what you say and quit supporting the swans the better the club will be off, because IMO you are the worst supporter I have ever witnessed!! What the club needs is the fans to get behind then and support!!! Your hysterics does not help!!!
     
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  20. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Dumpy! Laudrups words, how thick are you son!...............................<laugh>
     
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