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brb said:
Anyway, question for people, slightly astray from the thread topic, but it is in relation to automation, basically technology taking jobs.

Supermarkets for many decades now along with our corner shops, which are just virtually well known supermarkets but smaller now, have paid mums, young people that want to work in minimum wage jobs, and many millions of those jobs support people on the bread line.

I see today Amazon Fresh are going to expand their first store out of London and they will base a new one in Sevenoaks. My understanding if I have it right, is they are cashless and require no checkout operators.

I'll assume if this is successful or it continues to be so, then Amazon may attempt sometime in future, to expand into the bigger (super)market, so how many of you would use one if in a town near you?
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I went into Lloyds Bank yesterday for two things. First to put some cash into the account (yeh I know, cash what's that these days!). Woman behind the counter does it grudgingly, tells me to use the machine next time. I then ask if I can open an account for my son. She tells me to do it online. Wouldn't even entertain the idea in branch. I looked at her and was close to saying "aren't you like a turkey voting for christmas with this bollox? You'll be gone soon enough and so will this branch"

I appreciate change is necessary and the two examples I've given can be replaced by machine, but there's something to be said for social interaction as a society, for our community, for our growth, for our mental health, for our ability to communicate. What price on that?

Then there's the issue of what happens when automation fails or when individual circumstances don't fit into a neat linear format which algorithms are able to factor in.

Overall there are lots of positives with automation but I think it takes something away from us as a society.

Anyway I told my boy there's no fcking way I'm ordering my meals on wheels online 20 yrs from now, so he'll have to bring it round.
 
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Chief said:
Probably not, but it's an exteme leap to think this might affect supermarkets long term.
It's just change essentially, some might prefer this but plenty will stay as they are. Just like in shopping.

Sometime we have our Tesco shop delivered, most of the time she actually goes.

Sometimes I buy clothing and products in a shop, most of the time though I shop on line.
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Just saying like, but Amazon only started out as an online bookseller 27 years ago.
 
Chief said:
Probably not, but it's an exteme leap to think this might affect supermarkets long term.
It's just change essentially, some might prefer this but plenty will stay as they are. Just like in shopping.

Sometime we have our Tesco shop delivered, most of the time she actually goes.

Sometimes I buy clothing and products in a shop, most of the time though I shop on line.
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brb said:
Just saying like, but Amazon only started out as an online bookseller 27 years ago.
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This is true.

But there are still high streets and there are still book shops.

Things have changed and people have adapted.
I'd think a large group of people will regularly want to still go to actual shops and buy things themselves, just like now.
 
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brb said:
The trouble with Amazon Fresh is they are not currently in the market, in how we currently know the market as Sainsbury's, Tesco etc.

It's a new concept, so there is no union and people to protect in Amazons invasive approach. Afterall one of the Union's many tasks is to protect jobs, but when does the consumer take responsibility. I'd say by using Amazon shops, you are condoning what in the long term will be the loss of thousands of jobs - simply because a competition war will break out, and Amazon will have the upperhand, no unions or employees to deal with in the new concept, they will benefit from savings of thousands of salaries, to which the current supermarkets will not be able to compete, thus they will have to go the same way or die, the unions involvement by that time is already too late, the damage is done.

Every single one of us is an independent union, be interesting to see whether people over the next decade, will choose saving people's jobs or the convenience that Amazon Fresh will offer.
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Hmmm not sure,most of the big supermarkets do home delivery and you see plenty of people filling up their orders BY HAND,so it's not complete automation and anyway Thatcher ****ed up the unions for retail workers when the Sunday hours etc was scrapped.
 
Chief said:
This is true.

But there are still high streets and there are still book shops.

Things have changed and people have adapted.
I'd think a large group of people will regularly want to still go to actual shops and buy things themselves, just like now.
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and this is the same logic I apply to the RMT Union. Automation is going to take over whether they like it or not, and companies will continue to bleed businesses of every little bit of profit possible, much the same as Treble's example above with the banks, because no one really cares.
 
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Mick O'Toon said:
Hmmm not sure,most of the big supermarkets do home delivery and you see plenty of people filling up their orders BY HAND,so it's not complete automation and anyway Thatcher ****ed up the unions for retail workers when the Sunday hours etc was scrapped.
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Same was said about automated check out in supermarkets, in fact it was laughed at, yet it increased in usage across the country over the following years and decadees.
 
Chief said:
This is true.

But there are still high streets and there are still book shops.

Things have changed and people have adapted.
I'd think a large group of people will regularly want to still go to actual shops and buy things themselves, just like now.
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True,I bought the wife a Kindle she used it for about a month and went back to buying books,people like to hold things,I feel the same with CDS and vinyl and Playstation games.
 
brb said:
Same was said about automated check out in supermarkets, in fact it was laughed at, yet it increased in usage across the country over the following years and decadees.
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True but not everyone uses them,I only use them when I have a few things,checkout for a big shop though I think that's the idea:cheesy:
 
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Treble said:
I went into Lloyds Bank yesterday for two things. First to put some cash into the account (yeh I know, cash what's that these days!). Woman behind the counter does it grudgingly, tells me to use the machine next time. I then ask if I can open an account for my son. She tells me to do it online. Wouldn't even entertain the idea in branch. I looked at her and was close to saying "aren't you like a turkey voting for christmas with this bollox? You'll be gone soon enough and so will this branch"

I appreciate change is necessary and the two examples I've given can be replaced by machine, but there's something to be said for social interaction as a society, for our community, for our growth, for our mental health, for our ability to communicate. What price on that?

Then there's the issue of what happens when automation fails or when individual circumstances don't fit into a neat linear format which algorithms are able to factor in.

Overall there are lots of positives with automation but I think it takes something away from us as a society.

Anyway I told my boy there's no fcking way I'm ordering my meals on wheels online 20 yrs from now, so he'll have to bring it round.
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Good example mate, I was faced with a similar scenario when this first started happening over 20 years ago, so the bank I was with I took all my funds out and moved them to other banks. However, my own independent union action failed, because every other fooker was prepared to adapt to the banks requirements. Which again is another profit making objecttive as if they don't already make enough profit.
 
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I like the automation and online options and rarely go to a shop. My general reason is that people are annoying and rude. If people did their job in a pleasant and friendly way we'd all enjoy going to the shops.
 
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May be slightly off topic, but human interaction is slowly but surely going, especially amongst younger people. Probably something to do with social media etc.
People just don’t seem to want to talk face to face anymore. I know people who would rather wait in a queue for self-service, rather than have to talk to a cashier.
About a year ago, I got offered an apprentice plumber from hull college. Got all his contact details.
Tried ringing him.I’d been told he was really keen to start workin and all that bollocks.
No answer.
Within 30 seconds I received a text from him saying:
‘Hi this is Ben. Not sure if college told you, but my communication preference is text or email. I look forward to hearing from you.’
You can imagine how I replied <laugh>.
 
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