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I hear the long delay in the City - Newcastle game was due to the 'semi-automated' offside machine breaking down.
But of course that was not explained to anybody at the time.
Fans are of such low standing in the eyes of the suited Jobsworths who now run Football, that they deem us unworthy to be told anything.

We've had fully automated offside machines in football for well over 100 years.
They're called linesmen.
Rarely do they take longer than 5 seconds to make a decision, even if they are occasionally wrong.
NEVER five, six, seven or eight minutes.
Getting a call wrong occasionally should not be seen as a curse to be eradicated at any cost.
It is part of being Human. Football is surely about humanity and emotion. Not lines drawn by a computer (when it is working).
 
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Everyone's going on about the terrible refereeing at the Villa Newcastle game this weekend.

It's worth remembering what we did not get.
Dozens of incidences of fans waiting around for VAR decisions. Games spoiled by those interruptions.
Spontaneous celebrations muted for fear of the VAR forensic squad.
 
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lardiman said:
Everyone's going on about the terrible refereeing at the Villa Newcastle game this weekend.

It's worth remembering what we did not get.
Dozens of incidences of fans waiting around for VAR decisions. Games spoiled by those interruptions.
Spontaneous celebrations muted for fear of the VAR forensic squad.
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VAR was not needed for 'that' decision, a couple of pair of eyeballs was. :emoticon-0138-think


The views expressed in my posts are not necessarily mine.
 
lardiman said:
German fan fights back against VAR <laugh>

www.bbc.co.uk

VAR: Masked fan unplugs monitor in German second division match

A masked fan unplugged a VAR monitor in a German second division match as the referee went to the pitchside screen to check a penalty award.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Not sure what they'll charge him with if they identify him.
From what I understand the monitor was not damaged, just unplugged.
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Ominous when it’s in place in the German (and Spanish I’m fairly sure) second divisions. I reckon we’ll have it here the season after next.
 
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Star of David Bardsley said:
Ominous when it’s in place in the German (and Spanish I’m fairly sure) second divisions. I reckon we’ll have it here the season after next.
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The disallowed goal we scored on Saturday would highly likely have stood with a VAR review, and I'm still of the opinion VAR is ****. :emoticon-0138-think


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The problem with VAR is that the rules before VAR were written when such technology didn't exist and they were being enforced by humans (If you consider referees to be human?). There was some controversy about Aaron Wan-Basaka's boot size and VAR. I imagine Kanu (ex Arsenal) would have a real problem these days because he had size 15 feet. Imagine trying to look along the line to see if you are offside or not when it depends on the other players boot size. If they want VAR to be successful then unless they update the rules to take account of it, then there are always going to be ridiculous decisions. The offside rule says any part of your body from which you can score is considered these days, but in the old days I can't imagine linesmen and referees did that. I imagine they used the players torso. Otherwise you end up with the situation where an attacker and a defender running along side each other out of step and the attacker goes from onside to offside and back again depending on whereabouts in their strides they are.
 
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dzc10 said:
The problem with VAR is that the rules before VAR were written when such technology didn't exist and they were being enforced by humans (If you consider referees to be human?). There was some controversy about Aaron Wan-Basaka's boot size and VAR. I imagine Kanu (ex Arsenal) would have a real problem these days because he had size 15 feet. Imagine trying to look along the line to see if you are offside or not when it depends on the other players boot size. If they want VAR to be successful then unless they update the rules to take account of it, then there are always going to be ridiculous decisions. The offside rule says any part of your body from which you can score is considered these days, but in the old days I can't imagine linesmen and referees did that. I imagine they used the players torso. Otherwise you end up with the situation where an attacker and a defender running along side each other out of step and the attacker goes from onside to offside and back again depending on whereabouts in their strides they are.
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On the nod in racing terms
 
dzc10 said:
The problem with VAR is that the rules before VAR were written when such technology didn't exist and they were being enforced by humans (If you consider referees to be human?). There was some controversy about Aaron Wan-Basaka's boot size and VAR. I imagine Kanu (ex Arsenal) would have a real problem these days because he had size 15 feet. Imagine trying to look along the line to see if you are offside or not when it depends on the other players boot size. If they want VAR to be successful then unless they update the rules to take account of it, then there are always going to be ridiculous decisions. The offside rule says any part of your body from which you can score is considered these days, but in the old days I can't imagine linesmen and referees did that. I imagine they used the players torso. Otherwise you end up with the situation where an attacker and a defender running along side each other out of step and the attacker goes from onside to offside and back again depending on whereabouts in their strides they are.
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This is such a good point, other sports with video referees/digital help have changed their rules to fit (I'm thinking Rugby Union and Tennis off the top of my head) but Football hasn't.

I'm not sure they will every get VAR right, as I don't think footballs law makers will look at other sports usage and take the best parts and add their own bits to make it work
 
Forest denied a goal today because the heel of one boot of their 'scorer' was offside, even though the entire rest of his body, especially his torso, was clearly onside. No linesman would have flagged him.

That decision cost Forest two points.
I'm beyond tired with VAR ruling out well crafted goals - and this goal was beautifully taken - with decisions measured by millimetres.

Technology - which has no trace of emotion or passion about it - is being used to punish the skill and human creativity that makes Football the Beautiful game. Computer nerds, who give nothing to the sport of Football, now rule over players who are blessed with fantastic talents.

Football does not need VAR.
But VAR and the army of button pushers and geeks who accompany it needs Football to leech off of.
Ditch the parasites.
 
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This talent imbalance really gets my goat.

99% of professional footballers could do a better job than VAR officials do, in their little TV room.
And with minimal or no training.

How many VAR button pushers would last 5 minutes on a football pitch in a Premier League game?
None I would wager.
They would sh*t their pants, and probably have as much game awareness & control of the football as a six year old.

Yet the button pushing nerds now run Football.
They have the power to strike off goals that they could never score themselves if they trained for years.
All in the name of eliminating every trace of human error from decision making.
Which we all know is an utter joke.
With £millions wasted, VAR makes as many rubbish calls as any ref or linesman ever did. All down to human error.
And they have ruined game after game, making players and fans wait 5, 6, 7 minutes or more for decisions.
 
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I absolutely agree. If a linesman had flagged him offside the pundits in studio would be criticising him (or she). Anyhow as far as I can tell this was a case of where in his stride the player in question was as opposed to the defender. If the Var had frozen a millisecond later he might not of been offside. This is just ridiculous. What is more if could cost Forest a lot of money.
 
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The problem is partly this obsession with keeping the rules of the game the same at all levels, when really what is required is just an extra set of rules that override the existing rules when technology is in use. The two games amateur and professional are more or less two different games played to the same rules now anyway. In the main in the amateur game you do not get much deliberate cheating, if any at all. Whereas in the professional game particularly at the highest level you now have up to 22 players and managers trying to gain advantage anyway they can and if that involves cheating so what.

There are exceptions of course but not many. A couple spring to mind:

Robbie Fowler at Arsenal ( https://onefootball.com/en/news/rob...lass-act-during-arsenal-vs-liverpool-35361942 )
Paulo Di Canio at Everton ( https://www.premierleague.com/en/video/2414994/on-this-day-in-2000-di-canios-sporting-gesture ).
 
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