NorthFerribyTiger
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Not for much longer....parts of the UK are already introducing bans in prisons (which were exempt) & there are pilots in English prisons as well
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Not for much longer....parts of the UK are already introducing bans in prisons (which were exempt) & there are pilots in English prisons as well
Well at HMP Everthorpe, which is Cat B, the inmates are only supposed to smoke outside. The guards have designated smoking areas (or they did do, not sure if they still exist) outside. However, it's a prison, nobody really gives two ****s and the cons pretty much smoke everywhere except the cafeteria.
I think the legislation refers to public places, or some such, so I guess prisons are a grey area on that?
That will never happen. As has already been said, the money the government rakes in from tobacco sales is enourmous; were they to ban it completely they'd lose out on billions, if not trillions of pounds, a defecit which would be balanced from...where? At present the government take in £12bn a year, they're hardly going to outlaw it because of a few campaigners. They'd have to ramp up taxes, make more cuts, spend money on rehabilitating those who are heavily addicted and so on.
NorthFerribyTiger
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Not for much longer......it would have been changed already if not for opposition from the Prison Governors Association which fears riots with over 70% of the prison population being nicotine addicts then being forced to go cold turkey
Correct, it's hard to say really because unless you're an inmate or guard (my info comes from the latter) it's just speculation. But as far as I'm aware what you say is right, it's purely public places that are affected by the ban.
NorthFerribyTiger
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Legislation covers the workplace.....a prison is a workplace for all those who are not incarcerated in one.....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34395034
Aye, but isn't the grey area the issue that the cell is a home for the prisoners, which isn't covered by the legislation?
What's the score with people whose job entails visiting people in their own homes? Can they refuse to work in one if the occupier refuses to put the *** out, or is that down to the employer?
Oh yeah, I was talking more about the cons than the guards. Obviously the guards stay professional (or at least I'd hope so!!).
NorthFerribyTiger
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I have heard of cases where some employees in these cases have refused to visit homes of heavy smokers. There have even been suggestions that some councils have investigated the possibility of banning smoking in council owned properties
See that's understandable, rented accomodation should permit smoking at the discretion of the landlord. If that's the council then so be it.
NorthFerribyTiger
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But it is still the persons home & not a public place.....the reasoning was based on council employees or contractors entering the properties as part of their job...where the persons home became the visitors workplace
So someone should stop smoking in their own house in case someone has to call at their house who is a non-smoker? These precious sods should get over themselves and remember who is paying their wages.
What next, no alcohol or dogs in the house in case a Muslim has to enter? No pork as both Muslims and Jews would be upset?
I'd have to check the law on this, but a rented house belongs to somebody else; it is therefore their property and it is therefore their choice as to what can and can't be done upon it's premisis. When you sign up for a rented house, it often stipulates whether smoking is allowed, if the tenant ignores that clause then they are booted out. It should be the same for council houses, as the people who move in after them might be non-smokers and that wouldn't be fair.
What's silly about it? It's totally fair, if the house doesn't belong to you then it isn't up to you what you do with it. If you leant me your car and it came back with loads of cig burns in the seats and rubbish in the footwells, the response "well it was technically mine at the time so I smoked 20 Lamberts and ate a ****load of Maccy D's" wouldn't really satisfy you, would it?
In the same way, if I rented my house out on the strict understanding that it wouldn't be smoked in, I wouldn't be happy if at the end of the tenancy I came back to nicotine stained walls, cig burned carpets and stinking rooms. If you live in a council house, then unless you're doing that thing where you're eventually gonna buy it from them it isn't yours to do what you want with, therefore you must respect the rules because there'll no doubt be somebody in there after you.
You are being silly. Do you think any government would bring in regulations like that for council tenants? How long do you think cigarette smoke lingers you drama queen?
How about banning people from cooking curries in case the smell lingers and the next people in might not like it?
Not seen the one in Dubai but I've seen the one in Singapore Airport, I had to go in to get the Mrs. as she was a smoker at that point, it really was ****ing disgusting.
