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Stick or Twist?

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by luvgonzo, Feb 27, 2013.

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Stick or Twist?

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  1. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I reckon we need another 5 players in the summer at the bare minimum.

    Problem is, we need to add to our squad rather than sell and replace. But if we were to sell individuals, I think Downing, Coates, Borini, Assaidi and Carroll would be first in line. FYI - I'm not saying I want these players to go but I think they would command a decent fee and they're not first teamers so they shouldn't affect our performances in the short run.

    I believe others have mentioned - we need to buy for the first team. No more 'potential' and no more squad fillers. Rodgers has had a year to get settled, assess the squad and work alongside the new 'technical committee'. We should have better targets on our radar in the summer.

    In terms of specific areas, I believe we need improvements across the entire team.

    Another versatile striker who can play down the middle or on the wing - i.e. another Sturridge. I think this is crucial as we have seen on many occassions how toothless we can become without Sturridge and a magical Suarez.
     
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  2. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

    DayDoDoeDontDayDoe Well-Known Member

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    Your right we already have the squad players Sterling,Kelly,Wisdom,Hendo,Allen.

    We need players for the 11, we wanna buy a DM who potentially could put Lucas on the bench for example.Or 2 CBs who could force Dagger out of the team
     
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  3. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I'm the only one on the poll gone for stick. <laugh>

    It seems crazy to me that we may rip the squad apart and start again.
     
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  4. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

    DayDoDoeDontDayDoe Well-Known Member

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    The players we are looking to ship out are the weaker ones of less quality, so we wouldnt be losing much anyway, we would be looking to bring in ones of higher quality

    Plus, we are 8th in the League, Im not sure sticking when we are 8th in the League is the right thing to do.Liverpool never "stuck", when they were 1st
     
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  5. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    You know I don't want us to stick in 8th, my point is stick with the majority of the squad and allow the youngsters that we have to play and therefore improve.

    I would like 2 quality players other than 4 or 5 hopefully, maybe players. We dont have the money for 4 or 5 top quality players.

    Everyone will have a different opinion, but I think that we need to make the most of our academy.
     
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  6. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    Everyone will have a different opinion, but I think that we need to make the most of our academy.
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    i do agree with that point to a degree, but surely it would be better for them to come into a team full of confidence and higher up the league if a few quality players brought in, rather than a team struggling as still waiting for all the youngsters in the team to find their feet.
     
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  7. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    I agree but just to a lesser point where I think that adding 2 to the current squad would be more productive as it would still allow room for our younger players to come in.

    If we had the money I would probably change my opinion but we just don't have the funds even after selling to buy 4 or 5 players of top quality and I think that if we have say 50 million after sales and funds then it would be better to split that in half other than over 4/5 players as it will leave questions over those players quality and ability.
     
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  8. Milk Milk

    Milk Milk Well-Known Member

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    With "city" level funding almost the entire squad would be replaceable.

    With "pool" level funding I would prefer 2 good quality players over 5 mediocre players.

    Naturally depends on who is coming and going. If Suarez, Reina (not Regina autocorrect), and Skrtel are all leaving we need to replace them with comparable quality at least. So may need more players coming in.

    Ideally though if we chose who leaves (rather than players forcing their way out) I'd rather our funds be concentrated on quality over quantity.



    Hendo... oh we definately overpaid for him. But we shouldn't sell him... he is a decent squad player. Allen proved he had quality early on... not sure what happened... would rather we fixed him rather than selling.


    I disagree that Borini hasn't had enough time... he started almost Every game for the first third of the season... he's rubbish. Over the years I've noticed that strikers either make it almost immediately after transfer or never do.
     
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  9. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    The thread is based on this and I would completely agree if others left we would also need to replace them.
     
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  10. saintanton

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    Change too many players and you're back to the same old square one. It may be frustrating, but we have to accept that we need evolution not revolution, and it will take time.
    This is the real world, not a footie manager game. Every new player is a risk, more players= more risks.
    We can't have two top class players for every position because we can can't afford them and we don't have enough to entice them.

    As for the "City money" scenario: we don't have it and I, for one, don't really want it. I've bored people enough with my view that those astronomical amounts of money are simply A Bad Thing. I'd rather regulations effectively curtailed their spending than we try to catch up with them.
    I realise the suggestion was only a way of getting us to think about who we would keep or get rid of, but imo it's so hypothetical it takes us away from considering how we can realistically improve.
     
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  11. Flappy Flanagan (JK)

    Flappy Flanagan (JK) Well-Known Member

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    I think only 2 for the first 11. 3 maximum.

    At least 2 for squad, rotation, depeth etc. Maybe 3.

    First team - Right sider (wide forward, winger, play maker, goal getting), CB. Maybe left back.

    Squad - Striker, Midfield muscle man. A left back if a first team one is not signed.

    Guessing Rodgers wont have a super budget I think 5 will do it.
     
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  12. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

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    IMO it would be evolution

    Im advocating offloading

    Downing 1st choice RW
    Skrtel back up CB
    Coates back up CB
    Borini back up CF
    Assaidi back up LW
    Carroll loan
    Spearing loan

    So the only guy in the 1st 11, Im on about changing is Downing,all the rest are squad players and arnt playin at the mo anyway, so it wouldnt be disruptive


    I wanna bring in a 1st choice CB and a 1st choice RW, thats where I would spend most of the cash.

    With a back up CB better than we have, a DM who will be an option and make us stronger against the more physical sides,and another striker who will bring us more than Borini,and compete with DS and LS
     
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  13. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    As long as we don't get disrupt our core group of players, then it shouldn't matter too much. Players like Reina, Enrique, Johnson, Agger, Lucas, Gerrard and Suarez need to stay in the team and we supplement them with good quality.

    We brought in Sturridge and Coutinho and I think they can play a big part.

    I think we're in all in agreement that it's quality of quantity in the summer (well, applies to all transfer windows!). I think the January window was the first one in a while where I was actually pleased with our business and it looks to be paying off.
     
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  14. Nice junior playground tactics there <laugh>
     
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  15. Quit bullying the newbie <laugh>
     
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  16. DayDoDoeDontDayDoe

    DayDoDoeDontDayDoe Well-Known Member

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    This, well put!!
     
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  17. Going for twist doesn't mean ripping the squad apart and starting again, it means we continue to develop the squad and not sit still and settling for what we have (which is a top eight squad!)

    Buying two like you suggest wouldn't be sticking <doh>
     
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  18. jenners04

    jenners04 I must not post porn!

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    says you who have derailed a perfectly good conversation between fellow reds to do with football not ****e.
     
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  19. Red Hadron Collider

    Red Hadron Collider The Hammerhead

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    You been overdosing on Alan Partridge, saint? <laugh>
     
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  20. Foredeckdave

    Foredeckdave Music Thread Manager

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    CARELESS TALK COSTS LIVES

    Some of you need to get over yourselves! You glibly wite-off players as "weak", "lack quality" or "two-a-penny" without identifying why, who could replace them in the role they are currently fulfilling and at what cost. Let's take Coates as an example. The majority of you want to get rid of him. Yet he's young, not lacking in skill but certainly lacking in experience. So what are you going to sell him for and to whom? Show me another CB of his age and level of experience who is better? Then follow the same type of evaluation to the others who you glibly write-off.

    Now some of our youngsters need more regular 1st football than we are able to give them at present. I would suggest Suso, Yessil, Morgan, Shevely, Robinson are classic examples. If we do give them the opportunities that they need on season long and shorter term loans then we do need more experience in the squad.

    Should we stick or should we twist? I come down on the twist side. But only a limited number of top quality players who will (not could) improve the squad. So pay the money but for 1 0r 2 players.
     
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