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Read that yesterday Whiff - I think Tucker has absolutely nailed it. Many are thinking that way at the moment.

The whole Tan circus has gone full circle and he seems to have lost interest personally as much as many of the lifelong City fans have through his actions.

I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to bail out somehow. God knows what that'll mean for the club and supporters, but I think we are going to find out if we don't get back up.
 
I agree with the article, but the main issue with the atmosphere is the drivel on the pitch.

As soon as we play with any sort of intensity the atmosphere picks up a bit. Saturday was one of the most dire games I've watched at the CCS. We lumped it forward and got totally over run.

Tan might be looking for an exit strategy, but I'm not sure where that idea comes from other than the fact assumption he's as ****ed off with the club as the rest of us.
He will lose a huge amount of money and face if he leaves when we're not in the PL. I've seen little to suggest he's a man prepared to lose either of those things in a hurry.
 
Stevoldinho said:
I agree with the article, but the main issue with the atmosphere is the drivel on the pitch.

As soon as we play with any sort of intensity the atmosphere picks up a bit. Saturday was one of the most dire games I've watched at the CCS. We lumped it forward and got totally over run.

Tan might be looking for an exit strategy, but I'm not sure where that idea comes from other than the fact assumption he's as f**ed off with the club as the rest of us.
He will lose a huge amount of money and face if he leaves when we're not in the PL. I've seen little to suggest he's a man prepared to lose either of those things in a hurry.
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Those are the only two things that have prevented him walking away before now. I still wouldn't be at all surprised if he finds a way to exit the club.

He's a wheeler dealer extraordinaire and will be looking at all options. I can't see one myself but then I'm not Tan (honest <laugh><laugh>)

You're also right about the crowd being subdued due to the dross we're being asked to watch. If we were winning in style, there'd be a totally different buzz around the stadium to replace the abject glumness that pervades it at present. That would suppress but not totally take away the deep held feelings of most over his involvement at the club.
 
I agree with virtually everything above......however, there have been times in the past where the standard of football was much worse, but we still stood shoulder to shoulder and managed to create an atmosphere, despite the dross on display. Its this 'together in adversity' attitude which is missing from the present set-up, which is why I think the problem lies deeper than just the performances on the field.....although an upturn would certainly help.
 
Too little too late Tucks. The club is broken. Astronomical debt. Leaderless on the field and off. Fan base broken and fading away. Wait till next season. One man has done this and some fans still support him. Unbelievable
 
There is a deeper problem but like it or not fans are a f**ing fickle bunch. If the product on the field is right people will not worry about much else.

It's an entertainment business, if you get that right people will pay the money and enjoy the experience. I know the passion/loyalty run deeper but ultimately the thing I heard most on Saturday was along the lines of "I'm not paying to watch this s**t" or "I wont be renewing my ST, end of price freeze" etc.

As for the we've been worse but happier argument I think that's to do with expectations. We have a very expensively assembled MASSIVE squad. Watching L2 players hoof the ball and not string 2 passes together is one thing. Watching players who are paid seven figure salaries struggle to control a football grates a lot more.
 
Agree with all of the above and a refreshing change for Tucker to put out something constructive.

However, in terms of Tan leaving I have to ask the questions I have been posing for the last 2 years (mostly to Dull Dai): -

1. Will he just walk away and leave his money in the club? No is the answer.
2. Is there anyone else out there with fantastic wealth who will pay Tan off and fund us going forward? Again no.
3. If Tan packs his bags and says "By the way, pay me what you owe me", how on earth do we afford that, even if structured over a few years? We can't. We couldn't even pay our way if he just said he was putting no more money into the club and would put a line under what is owed.
4. Where does that leave us? Well and truly in the sh!t and supporting a club on a rapid downward spiral to the extent that in a year or two once the death throes have ceased we could be playing on the park next to the stadium to a crowd of a man and his dog. It would make Portsmouth's or even Ranger's decline look like a summer picnic.

For all he has done, my biggest criticism of Tan is that he does not appear to have capitalised much of his debt as he said he would do once the Langston issue was resolved. Does that not constitute a loss of face which is so important in his culture?

A positive change on the field will help in the short term but I can't see that happening if/until Slade gets some new faces on board in January. If we see an improvement on the pitch it will assist the mood off it but that will have to be sustained throughout the rest of the season.

Tan is obviously so thick skinned that he also can't understand that a simple act of returning to blue would help lift the support, maybe put more bums back on seats and remove some of the division within the fan base.

Putting all that to one side, Ninian's comment, "Going to the match used to be something to look forward to; now it's a chore" sums it up for me. We desperately need excitement back on the field to give us a reason to go to games.
 
Look no further than us for inspiration.....Here we were 20 minutes from going into non league and no money in the bank, We had nothing and looked doomed. What we did have nevertheless was loyalty and a determination to rebuild our club from scratch and the rest is history. Watch the film "from a jack to a king" as it tells you exactly how we went from skint to one of the top 50 richest clubs. you never did need to sell your soul to the devil hoping for a quick fix and im not surprised at all that cardiff city are no better off and in debt and under the thumb of tan and his Malaysian cronies. You could have been well on your way up the leagues by now and in control of your own destiny if you had that bit of belief that we had back in our dark days of gloom and despair...
 
monks hero's said:
Look no further than us for inspiration.....Here we were 20 minutes from going into non league and no money in the bank, We had nothing and looked doomed. What we did have nevertheless was loyalty and a determination to rebuild our club from scratch and the rest is history. Watch the film "from a jack to a king" as it tells you exactly how we went from skint to one of the top 50 richest clubs. you never did need to sell your soul to the devil hoping for a quick fix and im not surprised at all that cardiff city are no better off and in debt and under the thumb of tan and his Malaysian cronies. You could have been well on your way up the leagues by now and in control of your own destiny if you had that bit of belief that we had back in our dark days of gloom and despair...
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No what you did for the 2nd time was rip off your creditors.

Lucky for you there was no points deduction at the time.

Last clubs id look at are any of the admin lot.

Did Jack to a King interview everyone ripped off ?
 
hilts you know that's not true...everything we did was above board and within legal terms ...If it was the case that we ripped people off then we would have been punished and thrown out of the league....sorry hilts we did it the right way and you took the wrong way and that is why we are where we are and where you are. there is a massive gap between both clubs now and growing by the day and all because you sold your club to the devil and did not have the guts to stand up and be counted for what was right....you thought you would be the kings of welsh football but it back fired and now your no better than wrexham or newport in the lower leagues while we have progressed as an established premiership club doing great again this season....no we got it right and you got it wrong and as long as tan calls the shots that is where you will stay...tucker is spot on...<ok>
 
monks hero's said:
hilts you know that's not true...everything we did was above board and within legal terms ...If it was the case that we ripped people off then we would have been punished and thrown out of the league....sorry hilts we did it the right way and you took the wrong way and that is why we are where we are and where you are. there is a massive gap between both clubs now and growing by the day and all because you sold your club to the devil and did not have the guts to stand up and be counted for what was right....you thought you would be the kings of welsh football but it back fired and now your no better than wrexham or newport in the lower leagues while we have progressed as an established premiership club doing great again this season....no we got it right and you got it wrong and as long as tan calls the shots that is where you will stay...tucker is spot on...<ok>
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<laugh>.
 
monks hero's said:
hilts you know that's not true...everything we did was above board and within legal terms ...If it was the case that we ripped people off then we would have been punished and thrown out of the league....sorry hilts we did it the right way and you took the wrong way and that is why we are where we are and where you are. there is a massive gap between both clubs now and growing by the day and all because you sold your club to the devil and did not have the guts to stand up and be counted for what was right....you thought you would be the kings of welsh football but it back fired and now your no better than wrexham or newport in the lower leagues while we have progressed as an established premiership club doing great again this season....no we got it right and you got it wrong and as long as tan calls the shots that is where you will stay...tucker is spot on...<ok>
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Yes Dai, you ripped people off legally. They were still ripped off.

At least Cardiff have paid and continue to pay ALL their bills.
 
BluefromBridgend said:
Yes Dai, you ripped people off legally. They were still ripped off.

At least Cardiff have paid and continue to pay ALL their bills.
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And where are you and where are we <ok> streets ahead and going strong, 4th year as the top team from wales and looking great for a 5th year....<ok>
 
monks hero's said:
And where are you and where are we <ok> streets ahead and going strong, 4th year as the top team from wales and looking great for a 5th year....<ok>
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Congrats. Id rather not rip off those who can ill afford to be ripped off.
 
Of course you wouldn't <doh> and where does it say we ripped anyone off...no Hilts your clutching at straws im afraid and failing big time just like Tan united....
 
So how much in the pound were Swansea City's creditors paid or was everyone paid in full?

Don't lie or bullshit Dai. The information is out tbere if anyone wants to check it out.
 
The 10 point deduction was invented to stop teams like Swansea pressing the reset button whenever they wanted, ripping everyone off in the process and gaining an unfair advantage.

So **** off Dai and stop spouting your bullshit version of history. Well done to the latest version of Swansea, you should all be too ashamed to mention the previous 2.
 
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