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Steve L simply the best

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  1. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    Also the biggest revenue generator this club has ever seen. Don't forget to add that to this list you made
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Does that include the revamp of Ashton Gate stadium?...Most of LJs spending was recouped from the selling of his best players.. Makes it difficult directing a team to the premiership when the players that start to gel are sold on and you are forced to buy the best from dross pickings..
    SL thought he had a strategy, unfortunately it wasn't to be.. History seems to be repeating itself..
     
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  3. Cliftonville

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    Which was swallowed by the debts the clubs had accrued and continued to create ..
     
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    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Yes.

    Not it was not. Mr Lansdown still injected large sums into the club as equity and as loans.

    Millions spent on Mr Johnsons clubs in the bag who will not play or will never be good enough, alongside a non existant model of play to recruit to.

    Famara as a marquee signing wasn't not dross despite the touch liked a trampoline and lack of intensity. He just wasn't very good, and totally inefficient at the high pressing game Mr Johnson briefly flirted with. The same with Duric. Tears in the eyes stuff expect intensity out of posssession from those two.

    Only if Mr Lansdown in the future authorises the same ill defined spending beyond means.
     
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    oneforthebristolcity Well-Known Member

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    Yes, so the best from dross pickings then!!!.......players not good enough......not better than what was sold off, disrupting what LJ was building..
     
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  6. Cliftonville

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    You have highlighted THE flaw in Lee Johnsons approach. Players coming in would have the right dna to fit his project and his identity yada yada .. He was making it up as he went along.
     
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    That was down to COVID loss of income, not the strategy of the club. It was working until then, a fact people like to forget (convienentley...)
     
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  8. Supcon72

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    To say it was a brief flirt with high-pressing is insulting, it was more than brief, and was very effective, ask Wolves, Man Utd and Man City. It was also better than the current NP plan for pressing which is AW on his own. If you thought Fammy and Duric brought tears to the eyes pressing, you haven't watched Chris Martin attempt to press...
     
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  9. Cliftonville

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    The game against Wolves was lost. Yes in regards to Mr Johnsons tenure high pressing as a tactic existed for two to three months. That prior to the season Famara had been recruited, a player without defensive tactical intensity highlighted how it was never planned as a long term. When Famara was in the team the shape was medium and deep blocks. Busy bees they were not.

    Your point is what? Your comparing a couple of months of Mr Johsons football and a period of high spending x very poor recruitment to 2022 and the reverse.
     
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    Not sure the water made SL throw money at LJ and Ashton then to Pearson and massive cost cutting.
     
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    You can only have what’s available at the time at the right price and them wanting to be at Bristol City in the first place.. hardly renowned for their success in top flight football.. it doesn’t work, selling the core of your squad and expecting to replace like for like for less money.. but hey many have views that think he should have had magic powers and brought in the Messi’s of this world from the pound shop!! Dreamers..
     
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    Me me i can answer that from what Ive learned. City should have had ther targets sorted out like LJ said he would with his data base of players ho ho ho. He had seasons to recruit and he got in 60 in and spent **** loads. Time money for one of the best young coaches in europe ihho. He also said everybody was being coached and trained to the system all recruitment to the system. If there was any system at all it was a cracked cistern and we know what they sit on top,
     
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  13. realred1952

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    the aim was to sell on and then replace with better not really like for like. Aim was to buy cheap " improve them" then sell on or they became an integral part of a better quality team selling mid season was always going to lead to a disaster
     
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    My post may have not been clear. I was referring to loss and debts created prior to covid.
     
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    Whatever the money situation, under LJ we had 2 seasons where we had an amazing cup run and flirted with the playoffs at the top end of the table with his ‘****’ players.
    Since then we’ve flirted with relegation.
    On the pitch we’ve regressed.
     
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    The “money situation” as you put it can’t just be overlooked it does have an affect, why do you think teams with parachute payments usually dominate the top of the table.
     
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    Makes you wonder why LJ's still brought up years on from his departure.......something to do with the progress promised but we've gone totally backwards.....shows what decent seasons we once had!!!
     
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    often not to do with money .. but the quality of players who maybe for a season or 2 [ or more, played for other prem clubs and bought by newbies ] parachute payments were designed as a means to pay wages in the first instance nowadays less so as teams sell off high wage earnes? and hope to get back to prem ASAP
     
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  19. AshtonRed

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    Money gives options to relegated teams that teams without that money don’t have, able to buy/ retain better players, offer better wages etc, if parachute payments were scrapped relegated teams would have to act much differently to how they do now. So of course it’s to do with money. It’s no coincidence teams who have parachute payments dominate the top of the championship
     
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  20. realred1952

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    ARE YOU DIZZY???? a nice little spin that comment... a double confirmation ... confirming your point and the point about FFP being used for the wrong initial reasoning.

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    The FFP was reduced in years as it became plain teams were not using it as intended to pay wages of players on contract after relegation. ie a player on a 3/4 year contract earning £30k a week still having 2 or 3 years to run, but gets sold ASAP and maybe replaced by a player earning £10k+ x that by 3 or 4 [ usual sort of number players shed by relegated teams ] and that can be a saving of £100k pw ... so yes teams getting relegated are better off following this path but now they get less time/money ...
     
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