What about the thousands of black gang members in London who are involved in the flip side of what these morons were doing? Should they be excluded from society too?
Speaking of mop-related crime, this happened a mile down the road from me a couple of years back http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/8593219.stm
If we're talking about the same thing then i'd like to say what ****ing idiot would post that on the internet, how is that forum allowed to exist? scum.
From the BBC website: In a statement read by his lawyer outside the Old Bailey, Stephen's father, Neville Lawrence, said the convictions were a moment of joy and relief - but he could not rest until all of those who killed his son were brought to justice. He described the investigation and preparation of the case as "faultless". The material - bloodstains, clothing fibres and a single hair belonging to the teenager - were recovered from the clothes of the suspects which had been seized in 1993. Scientists recovered the material using advanced techniques which were not available to the original case scientists. Dobson, 36, and Norris, 35, denied the murder. They said their clothing had been contaminated as police mixed up evidence over the years. Detectives spent months establishing the movements and handling of the exhibits since 1993 - and the jury were told that contamination was implausible. In a statement read by his lawyer outside the Old Bailey, Stephen's father, Neville Lawrence, said the convictions were a moment of joy and relief - but he could not rest until all of those who killed his son were brought to justice. He described the investigation and preparation of the case as "faultless". Yep, they're 'innocent'
I agree but holding the view that such people should be excluded from society is nuts. Were would you stop?
The jury were told that "contamination" was implausible. One thing all of these dumb arse cops do know is how to preserve the continuity and integrity of the evidence. Exposing flaws in that was the key to the defence. Police and Defence teams know that this is where cases are at their weakest and as any defence team should do, they attacked the evidence management systems that were in place. The systems in place were robust enough and accurate enough to lead the jury to the conclusion that there was no chance of contamination Regardless of the **** investigation that took place at the time, audit trails revealed that the evidence was accounted for at all times. That then leads to questions about the quality of the evidence they produced. Bloodstains, hair and clothing fibres of the victim were present..... pretty damning.
RB - I do agree with that but regardless of the quality of the initial trial how do you feel about double jeopardy now being introduced on these shores? Yes - those blokes probably are total scum bags (and i know you didn't actually say that) but it strikes me as a very dangerous road to go down to be honest.
See the comment below. I am not saying these guys were innocent, they probably done it or were involved in some way but the goalosts were moved to make a conviction easier. Are you debating the point that some trials are policaly motivated to ensure a conviction? In the early 70s in N Ireland they didn't have the evidence to convict people so they rounded up hundreds of young Catholics and interned them without trial. Is that the way forward? Proper justice is something to be cherished, when you move away from that, in any way, it's a recipie for mayhem. (see NI post 1971)
What the **** does all this have to do with the IRA, its a thread about race related crime not ****ing independence related crime, give it a rest. That goes both ways, if they ****s are guilty so be it if they are not then so be it, personally i don't really care.
