I like him, but there is a reason why he keeps on getting replaced he is not good enough to play as a am in the prem FACT! thats why BR replaced him for Agustien in DEF mid instead. In this league you can not risk dropping any points! would u risk it or go by what you see in training? As Rodgers said there is no sentiment survival is a must!
Dobbie never had a chance with Sousa in the Championship , Dobbie never had a chance with Rodgers in the Premier .... big difference . Rodgers used Dobbie to get to the Premier.
And he did a good job for us getting there! I trust the decision of our manager I assume that he knows more than people on this forum, if not then we need a new manager! why didn't Blackpool go for him after their promotion think about it! Lets wait and see if Laudrup has a use for him? we did fine without him last season.
I was reading this article on the back of the EP, this afternoon down the Kings head in Llangenneth, and my first thoughts were, well done Steven Dobbie, fair play managers can be a right pain in the butt on times, and they aren't God by any means so fair play to Dobbie, he called it as it was, and as many of us on here have stated in the past, he was dealt a poor hand by Rodgers, and should have been given a fairer chance, well at least Rodgers is history now, (Known affectionately as 'Brenda') so I'm happy that Dobbie will at last get a fair chance, and some of us Jacks know he can hack it, hell we gave 'Pantstado' a whole season to find the net under Sousa in the Championship, and he couldn't hit the 'proverbial barn door with a banjo', so let's give the boy a chance, that's all we are asking! Musty mate, well done on a good thread, was very pleased to see you were the author!!..
SAO: "he is not good enough to play as a am in the prem FACT!" No. This was Rodgers' opinion. That doesn't make it fact. If you agree with Rodgers that's your opinion. Doesn't make it fact. I remember Norway saying that Dobbie had been given plenty of chances as he'd played in 9 games. Most of that was as a sub for 15 minutes a time and he only had two starts relatively early in the season - one of which was at Man City when all our players ended up looking like rabbits caught in the headlights. Most people realise that's not giving someone a real chance and I'm glad Norway's view is now acknowledged by most as being a minority one. Like many posters you're missing the point. Very few posters are saying Dobbie can do a job for us. Most of us are saying we just don't know, and he deserves his chance through a proper assessment by someone who was a real player on the world stage. You also say we should change the manager. Have you missed something?
If Laudrup thinks hes good enough then I trust his judgement and with the me stating I assume that he knows more than people on this forum, if not then we need a new manager! That if anyone on here knows more about football than anyone on the swans coaching team then we need new staff! these people are the top of their profession and know who is who on the training ground! Dobbie obviously didn't impress last season for some reason!!!!
Yes swan but many beleive the training ground means nothing,managers opinions mean nothing and that dobbie should be given about 20 games to Find his feet..only then can we say that he maybe aint good enough.. Will be intresting to see what laudrup thinks, lets hope he gives dobbie loads of starts so we can finally put this to bed! Though i Get the feeling that s not gonna happen. Michue on the bench all season and dobbie to be top scorer,leaving on a bosman to real Madrid in the summer..you heard it here first PS If im wrong then we Are safe in the prem for another season..win win
the thing with dobbie is he has a go and shoots and scores, cant score without an effort, am for me or fwd with graham, yes i heard it all, doesnt suit the style, did when losing and BR and sousa threw on all the forwards when losing with 15 to go
NJ you are still on my ignore list for obvious reasons but as your comment followed mine I thought I'd check it out. We've debated Dobbie many times and I've no intention of getting involved again in a slug fest but my recollection is that you repeatedly stated that Rodgers was in the best position to make a judgement on Dobbie as he regularly saw him in training (no argument from me there) and that he'd been given plenty of opportunities to prove himself because he'd started two games and had come on as sub in another 7. You even compared him to Moore on one occasion, pointing out that he had less game time but had actually delivered the goods. If my recollection is incorrect I apologise but please don't call me a liar.
Apology accepted KJ Wouldnt say my opinion is in the minority by the way. 3 managers and maybe a fourth will probably beg to differ with you but im quite prepared to spin this one out and see the outcome of dobbie playing in Laudrups system.
So you acknowledge that is your opinion but dispute what I'm saying about your previous posts? Don't get that, sorry. Are you saying that you've never stated that Dobbie has had his opportunities? Are you categorically denying stating that he'd had more game time than Moore yet the latter had delivered and Dobbie hadn't? That's my recollection. Not convinced I'm wrong either, but there you go. I distinctly remember a thread in which you were going on about how much game time he'd had and were making great play on the fact he'd made 9 appearances. IF I'm wrong in my recollection I do apologise. Just don't think I am. You figure it out. Btw I've temporarily lifted you from my Ignore List to give you the courtesy of a reply. It won't last.
Silence is golden NJ. You're back on. Agreed Musty. If it doesn't work out then so be it. Even though some say he's had plenty of chances the more sensible posters realise that's bollocks.
Er..everything ive said on the matter in the past has been proved to be correct has it not? i dont wish to keep dragging up the past with you all the time its very boring and indeed very pointless, it burns you im always proved correct i think Dobbie, had his chances last year,failed to take them . At the time of writing last year or whenever it was Luke moore had less minutes than dobbie but had more impact- Fact. I said to you that Luke Moore will do alot better than dobbie last season and make more impact,he did - Fact. Dobbie,bless him, just wasnt fast enough in speed of thought or feet to make any contribution,in fact he boardered on being a liability . Brenden Rodgers based his view on Dobbie in training, other players obviusly had more to offer on the bench and were far more flexable than dobbie,hence why he didnt make bench duty! Which ever way you slice it we get back to the same point,and that is that the manager didnt think he was good enough and its the manager that picks the team, again i was proved right by this as dobbie was put on loan and Gylfi came in and showed him how it should be done,same as michu will probably do this season. Going over old coals with you is plain daft but there we go, its just like the Ferrie bodde thing. you refused to acknowledge my viewpoint over him and guess who got it right 2yrs ago, 1yr ago ,6months ago!! how you mocked at the time,how you spent hours telling me i was in the wrong on that one too.. Dobbie i love, but you must understand that not every player can move up to the top level, i know you think he is amazing because you talked to him for 5mins once(that must have been the highlight of his day!) but Saying he wasnt given a chance is plain daft, the manager sees him every day in training!! he has a much better idea than you or me but of course you know better than Sousa,Rodgers and Hollaway.. Dont make a habit of being wrong KJ.. we all know that if i had a pet elephant you would say you had a box to put it in, but your flogging a dead horse with this dobbie thing now. Lets hope he does amazing for ML and im proved wrong.. thats the difference with you and me, if im wrong about something im man enough to admit it,you just try and put spin on the subject until you convince yourself your proven right on maybe one miniscule point( like dobbie's shoe size or some other irrelevent point) and then shout to the world you were right all along.. Keep me on ignore please,stop torturing yourself about the past,and seek professional help with regards to wanting to mention my name in almost every comment you make.. If im giving you sleepless nights im sorry, maybe i should send you a picture of me,you could use it on a dartboard or wipe your arse with it or something.. thats the only way your getting one over on Norway-jack im afraid Anyway...back to the ignore button KJ ..and make sure you leave it on this time,its been shear harmony on the forum since you did it,proving of course that its you that constantly upset and cause trouble with Dragon,Daiswan,Manselton jack,Classy jack and me your stalking victim Norway jack ..oops ive been proved correct again !!
Jeesh....you really have mental health problems. So when I said earlier that you had posted previously that Dobbie had his opportunities but failed to take them that was correct wasn't it? So why call me a liar and that I was making things up? You've just admitted that I was correct! Thanks. As being right all the time means so much to you well done. It's true what they say, they've found a cure for some cancers, they've put a man on the moon but they just can't cure stupid. Anyway, back to blissful ignorance.
Yawn..yet more insults, a sure sign when you've lost the argument.. Please call again sometime so i can swiftly put you in your place before you scurry off into no mans land .. KJ , taking the joy out of debate and create since the internet began !
Yes bliss indeed. Should I go 'La la la' too? View attachment 16278 Now stop spoiling the forum for others by posting your drivel - I refuse to read it.
