And that is just spin isnt it. How many of CTWD are supporters of other clubs who have joined the campaign?
What a load of bollocks, people who don't vote have no say, only those who can be arsed to register their opinion get to be heard. There is no pro-name change support of any consequence, there are just those who are against and those who think he's spent so much he can do what he likes. 13,000 people have signed an anti name change petition, nobody has signed a pro name change petition, does anyone seriously think the FA can't see that? The Hull Tigers application prompted the club to act immediately, but the FA never accepted that application and the club would have filed theirs during the season anyway, so it's rather a red herring.
Fans of other clubs will tweet support and sign a petition, but you seriously think they'd pay to join another clubs campaign group? Get to f**k. They're nearly all in Hull.
As I said above I could have worded this better, but not every Hull City supporter has joined CTWD have they, nothing has changed, the campaign group has raised the profile but not everyone can be bothered to vote even when asked twice in some polls.
That's the key. It's all very well the likes of Omega bleating about the silent majority, but the old saying about the tree falling in a forest with nobody to witness it springs to mind. This isn't meant as any kind of slight, but if someone doesn't feel strongly about a matter as fundamental as this one, then their opinion is not really worth taking into account. If only Omega could get his head round this, we might see an end to his pointless posts on the subject.
Your stance on this whole debate is somewhat confusing. You are against the name change, but every post you make questions the way the campaign is being fought. You come over like the man who complains about the violent time we live in, while chatting to the wife beater next door.
Yep they are pointless and the ****e that you have managed to post on here amounts to what, debates about what you were called on CI. **** off back.
I may be wrong, but it sounds as though you don't want the name change, don't want to protest until others do, and then criticise them when they do protest. I'm confused.
Kempton, I dont think CTWD do much wrong at all, its the posters who come on here and post stuff that doesnt add up that I am complaining about. DMD slates OSC and yet has he done something about it other than complain? I dont agree with protest as a solution in this situation, it doesnt mean that I do not admire the way that CTWD has conducted it business. Instead of me having to justify my stance why are not posts by anti name changers that are misleading not ever challenged? If a pro name poster states something wrong I will challenge that as well. If I get things wrong challenge me, thats what debate is about, through debate we find solutions, but if something is posted as fact it has to stack up.
If you'd bothered to ask me instead of making baseless assumptions, you would have found out I HAVE done a few things other than comment on here. You're callenging nothing, you're just trotting out unsupported dross and calling it stats. Have a look, people are asking you to clarify your position because it's just coming across as confused, bitter and whiney.
You're as confused as I am; it makes no sense at all. The opinion of the so-called Silent Majority is of no worth as they do not express it in any way, hence their name. Those who openly say they are ambivalent, don't care or will go with the flow, have no impact either as they will be happy whichever campaign wins. CTWD is the unequivocal champion of the no to a name change campaign, it is possible to join for the duration of the campaign and resign on conclusion, if that is something of concern. I can see no point, if you are against the name-change, of finding excuses for not joining it or just acknowledging it's work and keeping stum - why is the moral support of the ambivalent necessary? It has been said many times, but beyond the Allams [and the odd (sic) tosspot on here] , just where is the pro name-change campaign represented?
can you imagine if the Tories claimed victory in the next general election because 35% of people didn't turn out and as such they deemed that all of them people were obviously happy with the proposed change? No, no you ****ing couldn't imagine that could you. No vote, no opinion, thus far pols have vastly showed opposition.
Like with NT, The bit about Chris getting a new job is 100% true but he also says that he felt he couldn't work alongside the club any more because he has no respect left for Allam; partly because of the name change but also because of the way Andy Dawson was treated with his 'testimonial'. You're interpreting votes from people who didn't vote in the way that you want to interpret them. In any kind of research you can only focus on those who vote. When people don't vote they are giving up their right to be represented in that piece of research and they must be ignored for that research. You can't go giving people views that you've decided upon when they didn't vote. If 140 HCSS members out of 250 voted then the sample size of the research is 140, not 250. You're confusing sample and population. Those who don't vote are represented by those who do. That's how research works. The chances of the representation of that population being significantly wrong because everyone with a certain votes happens not to vote are so minute it's hardly worth considering. The chances of all these polls just happening to find the people who are anti-name change and missing a load of pro name changers who failed to vote is somewhere in the millions to 1.
Just give us a referendum. I don't think anything i say on here will ever convince anyone, pro change or don't care types. But for me it's very simple, LET THE PASS HOLDERS VOTE. There's 20,000 of us, surely that would be a fair outcome that no one could argue with ? If Dr Allam or anyone else believes that most people want Hull Tigers, then they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Put your money where your mouth is
I have nothing against CTWD. But some of the posters who post as if representing fact when its not fact at all. I will not join because I do not want to be linked with the protest. How many others are against the name change but have not joined CTWD? The silent majority count simply because it is that group who Assem Allam uses as the prop for his plans. All of the polls support his view that those against the change are in a group of around 1500 to 2000 supporters and he doesnt care what they think as most will still put money into the club even if the name changes. I will protest in my own way if the name changes, by not attending any Hull Tigers games, I am baffled by those who protest now but continue to support Assem Allam and who will put money into Hull Tigers. DMD, I have no doubt that you have done all you can or could have done to change the OSC, I really do understand. It does need a radical overhaul and this present issue has shown that it is reliant on too few doing too much. I am in no position to change that and I doubt that I ever would or could be. I joined for the social side of it. The fact is that maybe in the near future there may be opportunities to bring about change. But consideration will need to be made in its relationship with the club.
