God, is this knob of a welshman still prattling on. I wish he'd take his bitterness elsewhere, it's not my fault his team are a bunch of bottlers who at the slightest mention of promotion fall to pieces. Surely there's sheep out there that he could be worrying (polite term).
Back to the thread..................... Cardiff could have stars on their shirts for the number of times they've blown their promotion chances. Mind you it would have to be a big shirt or small stars.
irony …the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect…
If you think Aston Villa and Everton are presently successful or likely to winning anything soon, you are seriously deluded
Fine Donald **** up, talk about History pre 1960? TWS have spent most of their life in the second tier, apart form a blip sparked by Revies bungs that coincided with broader TV coverage. They're now bobbling at their natural level, but some like to cling on to the fraudulent years as if they were the norm.
What do you call a blip? Would you care to show proof of Sir Don's activities! You seem to have forgotten Howard Wilkinson achievements too, oh and our little foray's into Europe with DOL. I just hope in the future we have a few more blips like these! and finally as stated previously this thread was started as a bit of fun but there's always some over serious saddo's pop along to spoil it. Well Done!
All of what IALWB said, plus I suppose John Charles, one of the best players the world's ever seen who did actually bring a level of fame to Leeds pre-Revie. I don't understand Lukey and DMD's thing for when trophies were won, I must say. Can understand why you wouldn't count pre-war silverware, but Leeds have been successful in living memory, we appreciate that history and the fact we've been outside the top level for some years doesn't change that fact. Judging by the last 50 years, Leeds are a solid top-division team. Our mediocrity before 1960 hardly has a bearing on the club's 'natural level' now that we've attracted supporters from all over the world and expectations of grandeur after the highs of the 60s, 70s, 90s and early 00s. In exactly the same way Liverpool not winning the Premiership for 20 (I think) years doesn't mean they're 'living in the past' when they commemorate their great title wins and in the same way Arsenal who haven't won anything for six years aren't bitterly frowned upon for enjoying their glories. Maybe Hull could have two stars above their crest for each season they've spent in the top division? And Cardiff could get one for whatever their average away attendance is. Not very many, I can assure you.
After the original club folded for financial irregularities, Leeds United was formed in what 1919? It's now 2011. That brief spell with trinkets is without doubt a blip in an otherwise uneventful history. As for Revie, yep, a few ex-players and otheras have commented on the payments and I did say, sparked by Revies bungs, without which the mediocre history would have probably continued. The only one getting serious is the saddo's blubbing because someone pointed out there selctive starting point for history. and felt the need to post a list of "achievements"
Again, proof of Sir Don's bungs please?? You really are a ****wit aren't you? Read all the thread and you'll see the Welsh ****** was questioning what significant trophies Leeds united had won, i decided to reply. okay?
There's no proof for Revie's alleged bungs. It's bitter, made-up, anti-Leeds horseshit which is meant to belittle the fact that we deservedly became the greatest club side in the world.
Plenty of proof on interviews with ex-players from leeds and beyond. Only the deluded still try to claim differently. I can understand it to a degree, the one minor blip in an other wise dull history, turns out to be fraud, but have some dignity lads, just suck it up and move on eh?.
You mean the players that went in front of court and denied these allegations? you know in court under Oath get some facts to back up your ****ty opinions mi little fruitcake, what you still hanging round here for it seems my fellow Leeds fans have had your pants down and made you look a right **** so jog on!!!
No, I mean the players that said it at the time and challenged Revie to sue them if they were lying. Do you recall any such court case initiated by Revie? No? Any reason Revie bottled it? Former Bury manager Bob Stokoe for one says hi. Show us your bum again daft lad and I'll slap it a bit more for you.
Well if a bloke saying how much, where and when's not proof enough, and challenging people to sue him to prove he's wrong's not proof enough, it would seem there's only proof you're happy to be deluded and little point running through the rest. Someone mentioned irony earlier, which fits nicely with a follower of a club lead by Bates (although only recently it seems ) trying to claim footballers in Court (some possibly deciding between perjury or fraud) are any proof of anything.
Ken bates is a dick but he certainly has a very good brain on his shoulders, the mans not stupid he's managed to bend every rule in the book! the man is running one of the biggest football clubs in the country and he is making profit unlike most. Hes 80 year old and is as sharp as anybody, most people his generation can't even turn on a computer so fair play to him. once these new salary caps come in we will be the only club left that doesnt have to change a thing because hes a tight arse but congratulations to him. Just on another note Don Revie was arguebly the most successful English manager ever. no matter how you think he gained is success he was, and if you say he cheated he wasn't very good at it if you look at the amount of times he came second or refs(who where sent to prison) cheated him out of it,
The unproven allegations have been debunked so many times it's hardly even worth arguing about any more. It really is desperate to cling to these allegations of bitter old men who couldn't handle Leeds United's glory. I'll knock them down anyway. Leeds were a major force from 64-76. That's 12 years; a blip? Before then, we had the world famous John Charles and a host of internationals even despite being a mediocre, largely second-division club. Thereafter, there was a blip in the 1980s in the second division followed by the Howard Wilkinson era from 1988-96 which led to a title win, a shield win and a League Cup final. After that, George Graham presided over a series of solid top division finishes and O'Leary came in with the backing of fool's money and made us serious title challengers who got to a European Cup semi-final. You know the rest. Uneventful? Blip? You're better than rubbish like that DMD. Looking at the last 50 years, Leeds have been one of the major forces in English football. You talked about the club's "natural level": why would that be defined by pre-1960s league finishes which the majority of fans don't know about, let alone remember? The bungs are unproven and the quality of the Don's Leeds side is there to be seen in the players we have at the time. If you think bribery was responsible for the building of that world-class footballing team, you're wilfully blind. But I'll explain more on that point below. There is no selective starting point for history, though I suggest that trophies won in living memory probably have more relevance in the present day, not to say that trophies won before then are any less meaningful, just less relevant. I'd like to see which interviews you're referring to and the reasons why they can be irrefutably proven to be true. The onus of proof is on the asserter and none of them have fulfilled it as far as I'm aware. But yeah, more on that beneath. Minor blip? I've dealt with that, awfully poor argument and the fraud accusation is nothing less than slander. Revie "bottled it" because he was living in Arabia, focussing his legal efforts on overturning the FA's stupid 10-year ban and then, after he left the Arab world, was shortly after diagnosed with the motor neurone disease which led to his death. That's probably why he didn't go to court himself. During Revie's Arabian exile however, Billy Bremner did go to court and it was ruled that the allegations by Stokoe, Munro, Sprake and Hegen were all bullshit. Munro, Sprake and Hegen all suddenly lost faith in their claims and were shown to have been paid large amounts by the newspapers to fabricate the bribery allegations for the stories. Leeds won none of the allegedly 'fixed' (by which I mean categorically not fixed) matches against Wolves, Southampton and Bury. So please justify your claim that Leeds' success was build on "fraud" and "bungs" otherwise I'll treat it like the rest of the utter bilge you've conjectured. The Bremner Case and categorical lack of fixed results should neatly destroy that trash. I don't understand. None of us are Ken Bates and few, if any of us like him. The footballers in question who provided the Revie accusations all withdrew their claims, Bremner was the plaintiff and it was decided by the jury within two hours that it was all absolute garbage. Hope this post has enlightened you a bit on the unfounded bitterness of the match-fixing allegations and their spiteful authors, and if you do have any real proof which hasn't been debunked of which matches were fixed, how and with evidence of that happening, I might half believe you.
I think you are mistaking us for Leicester city. In Keane's first season it took us till late October to win a game, most clubs would have sacked him long before then (in fact we should have). We still stand by our managers. The 3 stars are a marketing ploy, the first 5000 replica home shirts sold have the 3 stars, the rest don't. It's to get fans buying the shirts at the start of the season Anyway why aren't you having a pop at Man city, their 3 stars do not count for anything!
Just to get back on topic! So fecking what if we have 3 stars on our shirt? What's it got to do with you? You must be so bored up there in tut Yorkshire to come up with this load of bollix!
Just on another note Don Revie was arguebly the most successful English manager ever. no matter how you think he gained is success he was, and if you say he cheated he wasn't very good at it if you look at the amount of times he came second or refs(who where sent to prison) cheated him out of it, ============================== Not heard of some bloke called Bob Paisley then?
