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Rangers Til I Die

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I've just read that Cargiant is shutting down! A 50 acre site valued at £100m (allegedly).

Dare we wonder whether this might impact on us in the form.of a site for a stadium?

Apologies for new thread but I could not find the old ones.
 
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I’d rather stay where we are rather than become another Reading or Leicester (plus many others) playing to large empty stadiums.
I don't think the Board would agree. Unless they've changed their minds, they were very keen for a venue that would generate income with concerts, rooms for hire etc.
 
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I don't think the Board would agree. Unless they've changed their minds, they were very keen for a venue that would generate income with concerts, rooms for hire etc.

They're pumping in £2M a month and need additional income that LR just can't provide. How much do you reckon Spurs made on Saturday hosting the Fury fight - Income we could only dream of. I'd rather we went to Old Oak and stayed in the local area rather then head off down the A40 to some brownfield site with **** all around.
 
They're pumping in £2M a month and need additional income that LR just can't provide. How much do you reckon Spurs made on Saturday hosting the Fury fight - Income we could only dream of. I'd rather we went to Old Oak and stayed in the local area rather then head off down the A40 to some brownfield site with **** all around.
Exactly!
 
The cynic in me never thought a new Stadium was ever about the club.

Mital saw how much he earnt through selling Steel for the Olympic Stadium and saw an opportunity to sell a bit more to himself.

For all Loftus Roads faults, we will never get a better location. Be careful what you wish for.
 
The reality is that site will be used for housing ahead of any other use. We are locked in to Loftus Road with no possibility of a new site in the locality with H&F having clearly indicated they won't help us in any way as the Linford Christie Stadium proved.

It's 15 years since Bernie & Flav sold the club and and all the promises that were being bandied around, I said on here at the time we'll still be here in 10 years time, I still think the same now. We just have to hope the crazy situation of owners burning money at an alarming rate doesn't come to an end with them pulling the plug...
 
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Two years ago when the owners tried and failed to attract investment the glossy brochure said
Montminy say that QPR's vision is to 'produce a state-of-the-art, multi-purpose stadium, as part of a major regeneration in West London,' and claim that 'discussions are underway to further explore significant stadium development with local municipal authority.'

Loftus Road was valued at £50-64m, the training ground £25m.

If a site is actually available might reboot this effort. A stadium doesn’t need anything like 50 acres, so plenty of scope for other income generating construction. Birmingham City’s massive new development is 40 acres, includes loads of stuff.

no chance, and my experience at the London Stadium makes me much less enthusiastic about the idea. It would be in the middle of nowhere.
 
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I fail to see where the money would come from. If the site is £100m, you can double that for a new stadium construction (say 30k capacity) and surrounding infrastructure works as a minimum, so outlay of £300m. Say £50m back for LR, that still leaves £250m to be financed......by whom? With the club still loosing money (hopefully at a much lower rate than the £20m for last season), not sure who we'd expect to step in - I seriously doubt that the current board could raise that amount of capital and even at (say) 5% interest the interest alone would amount to £12.5m a year
 
The cynic in me never thought a new Stadium was ever about the club.

Mital saw how much he earnt through selling Steel for the Olympic Stadium and saw an opportunity to sell a bit more to himself.

For all Loftus Roads faults, we will never get a better location. Be careful what you wish for.
I'm not wishing for it. I just thought it of interest. I love LR and other stadiums seem sterile by comparison, though there is an obvious observation bias there.
 
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I fail to see where the money would come from. If the site is £100m, you can double that for a new stadium construction (say 30k capacity) and surrounding infrastructure works as a minimum, so outlay of £300m. Say £50m back for LR, that still leaves £250m to be financed......by whom? With the club still loosing money (hopefully at a much lower rate than the £20m for last season), not sure who we'd expect to step in - I seriously doubt that the current board could raise that amount of capital and even at (say) 5% interest the interest alone would amount to £12.5m a year
I dare say the money could be raised and I assume such development cost would be outside FFP / PSR?
It should also be noted that Tony Fernandes managed to annoy the owner of Cargiant (also called Fernandes/z) but unclear if that's true for the current Board too.
 
Maybe we could merge with Fulham and share their ground, it’ll mean prem football, VAR and South Americans falling over, Brentford even
 
**** that. You know it would be **** and we’d still finish 15th in the second division. If anything they should find ways to make Loftus Road worse. Smear some **** on the walls of the away end, cheaper cuts of meat in the pies, free cigarettes dished out by Jude the Cat.
 
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Clive W talks about the positives and minuses of a new stadium here ...

 
Clive W talks about the positives and minuses of a new stadium here ...

Very good taken on the stadium. It is rather complex and I would fully understand our owners not wishing to take (another) gamble on QPR being successful.

On the other hand, £100m + for finishing last in the PL...
 
I think the problem we have is whenever we have a side that is moderately successful we will almost certainly have to sell players who are vital to us having a chance of going up. How many times do teams reach the play-offs and fail find the teams that go up cherry picking their best players? And even teams that haven't gone up but have parachute money will try the same as the Blades attempted with Jimmy Dunne.

Our £20 million deficit every season isn't going to dramatically correct itself so the current aim is Championship survival with an occasional top half finish, what we've had since our last relegation. Would the owners gamble £300 million + on a new stadium? Would the Mittals be prepared to gamble as partners? I think we know the answer already...
 
My opinion has shifted over the last few years.

I do understand the financial elements and understand QPR lose money annually and that some (not all) clubs have financially benefitted from larger stadiums.

But thats not why I watch or enjoy QPR.
I enjoy the day, the pub before, the others I say hello to at the ground. If I drive, I even enjoy the ease at which I can park in a street 10 minutes away for free.

I like my match routine, I like my seat, I like the company. I often like this more than I like the football.

To give all that up, and placing the football somewhere else, wouldn't be the same.

I appreciate the financial difficulties and I do think about where that leaves the next generation, but for me Loftus Road and all that comes with it gives me as much if not more pleasure than the actual match.

Moving to a soulless shed in an industrial estate to watch another aging mercinary midfielder turn and pass the ball back to another clueless keeper may reduce not increase our attendance.