Match Day Thread Spurs V Liverpool

Agreed.

 

Did you even read it?

 

I know your bolloxology

why would i ever read anything you've got to say on any lfc game when its always going to be on the wum....

 

I have highlighted the bit you didn't read in red to make it easy for you

Does the referee have to give a penalty in each case? As Liverpool found out to their detriment, Law 12 can only be applied when the ball is in play. Vertonghen's clash with Matip came moments before Jordan Henderson took Liverpool's corner and put the ball into play. As a result, referee Robert Madley was able to warn both players without awarding a penalty.
Referees have been encouraged to speak with players before the set-piece is taken to try to avoid the situation occurring. However, once the ball is in play, they are required to award a penalty should such an incident take place.

 

Moments seems a bit harsh... sounds like minutes there.

The reality is if every ref lectures every set of players about it on every corner there would need to be 15mins injury time at end of each game. he went out of his way to avoid giving pens which cannot be the way the thing goes forward. its either let it occur and give every pen or forget it. ESPECIALLY if you are punished at the weekend and applauded midweek with a european ref positively encourages it.

 

I missed this...does the photo make it look worse was it really a bit of gouging?

 

It's also counterproductive....if you are tightening up on the rule why stick a warning before each possible event.

Like Rugby...remind each captain at start of match and tell them to go remind the team...that's the only warning...

I mean the powers that be whinged that video reffing would unduly delay the game...what's the difference here?

 

Yes very simple.

the thing is the guys are in play actively trying to make runs and block runs and the ball is being delivered... if the rules were like this i might as well deck the keeper before he blows his whistle and get away with it and all.

like... seriously If i basically grabbed a guy and hauled him to the ground before the ball is delivered so my team mate can have a free run that is now allowed?

its either clear or its not. you can grapple and pull right up til the ref blows his whistle is how madley interpreted the rules.. so its a free for all then...

 

oh and good point on video reffing. it would have taken no longer than to argue with the players on why they are warned.

 

oh and its not only LFC.

huth got done by a "blind" ref this weekend too. two lads holding him down.. so did west brom where rondon had his shirt pulled.

What will occur here is individual refs will be criticised and they will simply give up enforcing ti and a free for all will ensue.

 

Why was Matip warned?

Its tricky because by stopping and warning you're giving the defending team a second chance. Argument is always, why Not just blow the whistle and punish what ever happens.

If gonna speak to players. Before every set peice kind of defeats the whole point.

 

I can only think the ref never saw exactly what happened so warned both players, if he had seen it he should have carded Verts.
As for blowing the whistle and allowing the kick to be taken, a player was lay on the floor so that was never going to happen. If it did then no action at all would have been taken as the incident happened before the ball was in play.

 

I don't get the ball not in play argument. If a player was punched could he not be carded? Of course... So why not punish them for things like that. Ref shouldn't need to blow his whistle to signal a kick can be taken, as soon as the ball is in the right position it should be in play and all usual rules apply. If Liverpool wanted to take a quick corner then ref wouldn't blow his whistle they'd just take it etc.

Its like direct free kicks, I don't get why the defence is allowed to get back and set up a wall, they have made a foul, ref shouldn't allow them 5 minutes to set up a wall etc, should say play as you want and attacking team can take free kick when ever they want to

 

Yip...shouldn't be anything to do with ball. The players are "live" if on pitch and the watch is going...

Violent conduct has nothing to do with ball in play and will be punished if seen and physically fouling a player is just lower down on that sliding scale.

In this case wrong or not if the ref thought both players were at it...card both...

It's something that could be clarified easily but they won't..because these one or two "target areas" the refs have each year always disappear without a trace after first few games...

This isn't a LFC thing..Skrts should have been blown up for about 100 penalties during his time with us and we couldn't have complained once lol

 

Yes, and Verts should have been carded. I can only assume the ref didn't see the actual incident just Matip on the floor so warned them both as a precaution.
I agree entirely with the rest of your post but unfortunately thems the rules.

 

We have a similar problem with Smalling, he is a serial panic wrestler.

 

As an added extra to the "Penalty" incident could easily have been a Spurs free kick for the block by Lovren on Vertonghen . Like holding blocking has become de rigeur at set pieces