Match Day Thread Spuds v LFC

[moreinjuredthanowen]

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Assistant referee 1: “All good. Both holding. Both holding”

Referee: “Yeah, leave it alone.”

Assistant referee 1: “Waiting. Delaying, delaying.”

VAR: “Possible offside, Diaz.”

Assistant referee 2: “Give it.”

Assistant referee1: “Coming back for the offside, mate.”

VAR: “Just checking the offside. Delay, delay.”

VAR: “Give the kick point, let’s go. Kick point please?”

Referee: “Yeah, no worries mate.”

Replay operator: “So, here we are.”

Referee: “Wait.”

Replay operator: “Just get a tight angle.”

VAR: “Yeah give me 2D line ready after this one from frame two after that.”

Replay operator: “So frame two there?”

VAR: “That’s fine. Perfect, yeah. 2D line on the left boot.”

Replay operator: “Let me just switch angles.”

VAR: “Romero, I think it is?”

Replay operator: “I think it might be this angle better? Happy with this angle?”

VAR: “Yep.”

Replay operator: “2D line on the boot?”

VAR: “2D line on the boot.”

Replay operator: “Yep, okay. So 2D line on the boot.”

VAR: “And stop. Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect.”

Assistant referee 1: “Playing.”

Referee: “Cheers mate.”

VAR: “Thank you mate.”

Referee: “Well done boys, good process.”

Replay operator: “Wait, wait, wait, wait. The on-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this?”

Assistant VAR: “Yeah.”

Replay operator: “Are you happy with this?”

Assistant VAR: “Offside, goal, yeah. That’s wrong that, Daz.”

VAR: “What?”

Replay operator: “On-field decision was offside. Are you happy with this image? Yeah, it is onside. The image that we gave them is onside.”

Assistant VAR: “He’s playing him, he’s gone offside.

VAR: “Oh (expletive)”

Replay operator: “Delay, delay. Oli (PGMOL Hub Ops) saying to delay, Oli’s saying to delay.”

VAR: “Pardon?”

Replay operator: “Oli’s calling in to say delay the game. The decision is onside.”

VAR: “Can’t do anything.”

Replay operator: Oli’s saying to delay, Oli’s saying to delay.”

VAR: “Oli?”

as i said above, its is the var moron who calls it possible offside first.

no onfield official actually called this offside.

the var moron decided in his own head this was a possible offside.

you then have 4 separate feeds from 4 onfield officials talking and not one of them confirmed and onfield decision
one says possible offside which could be said at every good goal or bad.

it's then clear their only real communication to not restart a game is to say delay.

this culminates in "Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect"

this is var confirming to any ref their onfield decision is correct, this is not relaying a result of a finding at all. it's really just telling the ref whatever he thought must be right.

the ref then kicks off and congratulates all on being fantastic blokes for getting a quick call.

the Assistant is very political then. he doesn't shout this is wrong, he asks are you happy.

the var guy hasn't a clue what on earth he is on about.

when they finally cotton on and curse there's a fatalistic I can do nothing.

it is a process set up for failure being rushed through to avoid critique of taking too long. its probably a shock its taken them this long to make such a **** up.

the best thing they can do is change the protocol to improve clarity and recommend the Premier league adopt the semi automatic system.

I'd go so far as to say they ought to make an amazon documentary following the lives of var and generate some sympathy for themselves.

 

[Zanjinho]

As I've said, if you want to play whataboutery we can do it all night - we've already had one player incorrectly sent off this season and VAR didn't intervene (though the FA reversed the decision) and I'm sure it's happened for us and against us. But before we move on to the actual issue - the Sissoko pen, oh **** off. He stuck his arm up like John Travolta - a more unnatural position of the arm you'd never find, and at that time in Europe they were giving them every time the ball hit a hand anywhere in the box. We had one given against Klavan the season before in Roma when he was literally running alongside their player who wellied it at him from a yard and it was given.

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/moussa-sissoko-penalty-233664

And give your ****ing head a wobble - the fact that you have to utterly invent that it came off his knee is the alpha and omega of your ludicrous argument.

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But the point is, much as ALL of us have tales of woe regarding VAR, if you can't see why this is different you're just being either deliberately obtuse or you're a ****ing moron, and as I've known you for a long time on the Prem Board (or did) and once got myself banned fighting your corner back in the days of Saxton, I'm saying it's the former, not the latter. The reason this ****-up needed to be played out openly and transparently was that this wasn't a difference of opinion - they completely ****ed up the most basic principles of their procedures. People on more than brain surgeons to watch a screen and draw straight lines on it don't even know which way the decision they're reviewing has gone? And they (not the individual, but the organisation) can't be held accountable?

**** the **** off. This is the horseshit we were fed after the Pickford-Van Dijk debacle when the whole world and his wife knew they'd ****ed up on their procedures then, but because they weren't held publicly accountable (they didn't even apologise) they got away with a quiet word to the club (that Liverpool said they never actually received), and a 'move along now, and let it go' brush under the carpet ****e. But three months later Golden Boy Oliver has a little chortle with the S*n, knowing full well that we wouldn't read it and would have to wait until it filtered out into the other parts of the media, admitting that they 'got the procedure mixed up': meaning he actually didn't know the rules of Serious Foul Play.

And THAT is why this issue had to be highlighted - the PGMOL has absolutely no interest nor incentive to improve their procedures and protocols unless held to account and pressured to do so. They're a self-serving cartel with more power than any of the clubs, not some ****ing charity of well-meaning amateurs. By all means, we all argue over decisions, but their decision is final. But this wasn't about a decision they made - it was about one they didn't. And, much as you can cherish your extra three points this time, next time it might be you too.

Not many have said it is a conspiracy, just that that is how it feels. Most on here have clearly said they don't believe it to be a conspiracy and that is not just about Liverpool either

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Exactly the same thing? The on-field decision was not overturned because there was no camera angle to do so. Appalling. Probably why we were fuming too, but didn't kick up a fuss, when Saka did the same thing to us at The Emirates last October when he scored the first (offside) goal in a 3-2 win. Or United's goal at West Ham scored by Pogba a few seasons ago that looped out of play in the build-up, but wasn't disallowed because there was no camera angle there either. Abysmal. None of these were because a highly-paid VAR operative didn't know the basics of his job though - he didn't even know which way the decision he was reviewing had gone, Can you not see how this is different? Is this really the hill you want to die on, feller?

I'd not bother. his club didn't have the balls to speak up so thst on them.

he's now whinging cos we had the balls to speak up and maybe improve things for his club

 

[Zanjinho]

as i said above, its is the var moron who calls it possible offside first.

no onfield official actually called this offside.

the var moron decided in his own head this was a possible offside.

you then have 4 separate feeds from 4 onfield officials talking and not one of them confirmed and onfield decision
one says possible offside which could be said at every good goal or bad.

it's then clear their only real communication to not restart a game is to say delay.

this culminates in "Check complete, check complete. That’s fine, perfect"

this is var confirming to any ref their onfield decision is correct, this is not relaying a result of a finding at all. it's really just telling the ref whatever he thought must be right.

the ref then kicks off and congratulates all on being fantastic blokes for getting a quick call.

the Assistant is very political then. he doesn't shout this is wrong, he asks are you happy.

the var guy hasn't a clue what on earth he is on about.

when they finally cotton on and curse there's a fatalistic I can do nothing.

it is a process set up for failure being rushed through to avoid critique of taking too long. its probably a shock its taken them this long to make such a **** up.

the best thing they can do is change the protocol to improve clarity and recommend the Premier league adopt the semi automatic system.

I'd go so far as to say they ought to make an amazon documentary following the lives of var and generate some sympathy for themselves.

The lino flagged didn't they?

 

[remembercolinlee]

As I've said, if you want to play whataboutery we can do it all night - we've already had one player incorrectly sent off this season and VAR didn't intervene (though the FA reversed the decision) and I'm sure it's happened for us and against us. But before we move on to the actual issue - the Sissoko pen, oh **** off. He stuck his arm up like John Travolta - a more unnatural position of the arm you'd never find, and at that time in Europe they were giving them every time the ball hit a hand anywhere in the box. We had one given against Klavan the season before in Roma when he was literally running alongside their player who wellied it at him from a yard and it was given.

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/moussa-sissoko-penalty-233664

And give your ****ing head a wobble - the fact that you have to utterly invent that it came off his knee is the alpha and omega of your ludicrous argument.

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But the point is, much as ALL of us have tales of woe regarding VAR, if you can't see why this is different you're just being either deliberately obtuse or you're a ****ing moron, and as I've known you for a long time on the Prem Board (or did) and once got myself banned fighting your corner back in the days of Saxton, I'm saying it's the former, not the latter. The reason this ****-up needed to be played out openly and transparently was that this wasn't a difference of opinion - they completely ****ed up the most basic principles of their procedures. People on more than brain surgeons to watch a screen and draw straight lines on it don't even know which way the decision they're reviewing has gone? And they (not the individual, but the organisation) can't be held accountable?

**** the **** off. This is the horseshit we were fed after the Pickford-Van Dijk debacle when the whole world and his wife knew they'd ****ed up on their procedures then, but because they weren't held publicly accountable (they didn't even apologise) they got away with a quiet word to the club (that Liverpool said they never actually received), and a 'move along now, and let it go' brush under the carpet ****e. But three months later Golden Boy Oliver has a little chortle with the S*n, knowing full well that we wouldn't read it and would have to wait until it filtered out into the other parts of the media, admitting that they 'got the procedure mixed up': meaning he actually didn't know the rules of Serious Foul Play.

And THAT is why this issue had to be highlighted - the PGMOL has absolutely no interest nor incentive to improve their procedures and protocols unless held to account and pressured to do so. They're a self-serving cartel with more power than any of the clubs, not some ****ing charity of well-meaning amateurs. By all means, we all argue over decisions, but their decision is final. But this wasn't about a decision they made - it was about one they didn't. And, much as you can cherish your extra three points this time, next time it might be you too.

1. Sissoko penalty...my mistake re the knee...for obvious reason I ain't watched that since it happened...but that rule was changed because it was such a **** decision...if it happened now it would not be a penalty. But in retro spect that wasn't a factual decision ... it opinion so shouldn't have included it.

2. I think they should be open about how and why they ****ed up ... having heard the tape it confirms my view that the standards of refereeing in England is farcical to the point of absurdity.

3. Sorry if I came across as a wum on your board. I have banter on the Premier league board cos that's what it's for...I regularly take the piss outta spurs there but always try to be respectful on other teams boards.

4. IMHO I expect things to stay bad or get worse with refereeing cos :
A) new refs won't come through cos they drop away cos of the abuse they get at grass roots level
B) rules are badly written and too open to interpretation
C) they seem to keep the same refs for years so they get set in their ways and new refs are made to fit around them.
For example the last head of referees was kieth Hackett iirc...he refereed the 1981 cup final ffs...that in footballing terms makes him a dinosaur. Football is unrecognisable compared to now.
The current one gave up refereeing a decade ago...what was relevant then is not relevant now.

5. I'll stop passing you off now.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

The lino flagged didn't they?

flagging is not talking on the microphones.

it you want to be totally clear you state for the record that "onfield decision is offside"

then the requirement from var is to state that back with the result of their analysis and their recommendation which in this case is overturn and award a goal.

eg. " onfield decision was offside. check complete, player played onside by player number x. please overturn and award goal"

takes less than 5 seconds to follow that and get it right.

by rights you'd wire the flag sensor that beeps in the refs ear to var and they'd have a big red light on as well.

 

[Solid Air]

The lino flagged didn't they?

yep onfield decision was offside

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

yep onfield decision was offside

You'd only know that though if you were watching the game on a screen. Oh, wait...

 

[Solid Air]

You'd only know that though if you were watching the game on a screen. Oh, wait...

thats the bit i still struggle to get my head round

 

[Zanjinho]

flagging is not talking on the microphones.

it you want to be totally clear you state for the record that "onfield decision is offside"

then the requirement from var is to state that back with the result of their analysis and their recommendation which in this case is overturn and award a goal.

eg. " onfield decision was offside. check complete, player played onside by player number x. please overturn and award goal"

takes less than 5 seconds to follow that and get it right.

by rights you'd wire the flag sensor that beeps in the refs ear to var and they'd have a big red light on as well.

He speaks right at the start; after the ball goes on the net he calls for it to be brought back for offside' (prior to it going to var)

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

He speaks right at the start; after the ball goes on the net he calls for it to be brought back for offside' (prior to it going to var)

he says coming back for the offside mate.

that is not clearly stating onfield decision is offside.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

1. Sissoko penalty...my mistake re the knee...for obvious reason I ain't watched that since it happened...but that rule was changed because it was such a **** decision...if it happened now it would not be a penalty. But in retro spect that wasn't a factual decision ... it opinion so shouldn't have included it.

2. I think they should be open about how and why they ****ed up ... having heard the tape it confirms my view that the standards of refereeing in England is farcical to the point of absurdity.

3. Sorry if I came across as a wum on your board. I have banter on the Premier league board cos that's what it's for...I regularly take the piss outta spurs there but always try to be respectful on other teams boards.

4. IMHO I expect things to stay bad or get worse with refereeing cos :
A) new refs won't come through cos they drop away cos of the abuse they get at grass roots level
B) rules are badly written and too open to interpretation
C) they seem to keep the same refs for years so they get set in their ways and new refs are made to fit around them.
For example the last head of referees was kieth Hackett iirc...he refereed the 1981 cup final ffs...that in footballing terms makes him a dinosaur. Football is unrecognisable compared to now.
The current one gave up refereeing a decade ago...what was relevant then is not relevant now.

5. I'll stop passing you off now.

Always welcome for genuine discussion

 

[Zanjinho]

he says coming back for the offside mate.

that is not clearly stating onfield decision is offside.

Your comment I originally quoted mate...

"no onfield official actually called this offside."

... he flagged and made comment. I made no reference to how good it poor that input may have been [HASHTAG]#apologyaccepted[/HASHTAG]




But yeah, it was ****

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

he says coming back for the offside mate.

that is not clearly stating onfield decision is offside.

I think he's being called back to review the offside decision. Rumours swirling around last night that he was on the bog throwing up and rushed back in, hence he didn't know what he was reviewing.

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

Such a simple solution to this though.

Every goal/red card or what ever that is going to var.

Referee like they do in rugby or cricket says - I’m awarding a goal - tell me if any reason I shouldn’t. Or I’m awarding offside, tell me if that’s incorrect.

var goes and does there thing. And replies

Weve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s offside. No goal
or we’ve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s onside. Change your decision and award a goal.

After var have confirmed that

referee will say ‘to confirm, I’m awarding a goal / I’m awarding a free kick for offside’

Var - correct

Job done. Takes extra 5 seconds each side of the process and no confusion can take place.

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

Such a simple solution to this though.

Every goal/red card or what ever that is going to var.

Referee like they do in rugby or cricket says - I’m awarding a goal - tell me if any reason I shouldn’t. Or I’m awarding offside, tell me if that’s incorrect.

var goes and does there thing. And replies

Weve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s offside. No goal
or we’ve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s onside. Change your decision and award a goal.

After var have confirmed that

referee will say ‘to confirm, I’m awarding a goal / I’m awarding a free kick for offside’

Var - correct

Job done. Takes extra 5 seconds each side of the process and no confusion can take place.

****ing hell, our games against United would go on for three hours.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Such a simple solution to this though.

Every goal/red card or what ever that is going to var.

Referee like they do in rugby or cricket says - I’m awarding a goal - tell me if any reason I shouldn’t. Or I’m awarding offside, tell me if that’s incorrect.

var goes and does there thing. And replies

Weve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s offside. No goal
or we’ve checked your decision of offside, we can confirm he’s onside. Change your decision and award a goal.

After var have confirmed that

referee will say ‘to confirm, I’m awarding a goal / I’m awarding a free kick for offside’

Var - correct

Job done. Takes extra 5 seconds each side of the process and no confusion can take place.

It really isn't rocket science is it.

Exactly the same as cricket.

 

[Lucas Talking]

[HASHTAG]#apologyaccepted[/HASHTAG]




But yeah, it was ****

I think the correct term now should be #acknowledgementaccepted

 

[Zanjinho]

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Apology but is wrong, just accept it was a human error

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

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Apology but is wrong, just accept it was a human error

Claim was human error. Was a typo and should have said 11