Match Day Thread Spuds v LFC

[The IncREDibles]

Dermot Gallagher reacted to liverpool's statement by saying that he didn't understand it and just flatly said that it's a mistake - as if that's the be all and end all. Which just sums up the attitude of referees.

In any workplace, you have quality assurance, where mistakes are analysed to avoid making them again, and their explanation of the error raises serious questions on the processes involved - it's clear to me and you guys on which of those processes can be tweaked and improved to avoid this happening again, but Gallagher is more interested in sticking to archaic rules that haven't evolved with the introduction of VAR.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

Gallagher needs to realise he's judges alongside all the dodgy refs who've admitted what's gone on in the past and he isn't paid by anyone but sky

as such I shall not read not watch one second of his lies and bluster in future

if he values his former mates (and he is thst long retired he hardly knows any refs now) then let him be paid by them not sky

 

[Zanjinho]

I still want to know what they were doing to not notice the linesman flagging offside and then not noticing the teams lining up for KO rather than for a FK in their half .

I know what they weren't doing...

 

[Zanjinho]

You're right. It's also galvanised our own fans, players and manager into having an even more powerful togetherness and never give up attitude.

It's a real opportunity to bring about meaningful change for everyone, all teams not just us, make the system better and build more transparency with accountability built in.

No change for me there, been calling for that for years

 

[Solid Air]

I know what they weren't doing...

paying attention ?
their job ?
being awake ?

 

[InBiscanWeTrust]

What I find interesting in this situation is that it seems to have pulled as lot of fans together, regardless of their alliance. Seen many opposition fans, Man Utd fans included, slating the officials over this.

Not seen an Everton fan yet though

Really? Not seen any of that. Just seen lots moaning that Liverpool playing victim and that all teams get bad decisions and we are lucky cos we normally get all the decisions

 

[The IncREDibles]

Really? Not seen any of that. Just seen lots moaning that Liverpool playing victim and that all teams get bad decisions and we are lucky cos we normally get all the decisions

Seen both sides of it, but as Rory on Monday night club said, the whataboutery regarding bad decisions doesnt undermine our point - it supports it.

 

[Zanjinho]

paying attention ?
their job ?
being awake ?

Checking the lines

 

[Zanjinho]

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[Zanjinho]

Really? Not seen any of that. Just seen lots moaning that Liverpool playing victim and that all teams get bad decisions and we are lucky cos we normally get all the decisions

Depends what part your focusing on. Plenty of support immediately after the game and condemning the offside decision, condemning the poor state of officiating in this country. Not so much about us still banging on about it over 24hrs later and plenty that just want to stick the knife in because "it's funny"

 

[Zanjinho]

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[Ivan Dobsky]

What I find interesting in this situation is that it seems to have pulled as lot of fans together, regardless of their alliance. Seen many opposition fans, Man Utd fans included, slating the officials over this.

Not seen an Everton fan yet though

You've obviously been nowhere near the prem Board then, and I'd probably advise you not to. It's pulled them all together just like the Paris CL final last year - against us. Though strangely they didn't coalesce so rapidly a few months later again when all the facts were laid bare about the abject lies and cover-up by the French police and UEFA. I rather expect the same pattern when, hopefully, Liverpool's actions get the full transparency behind not just the initial cock-up in this case, but the lengths that the PGMOL have gone to this weekend to cover it up.

All that said, I also expect that the audio tapes will now have already been 'lost' from a locked room that only Howard Webb has access to. He is, after all, a former South Yorkshire Police officer.

 

[Zanjinho]

You've obviously been nowhere near the prem Board then, and I'd probably advise you not to. It's pulled them all together just like the Paris CL final last year - against us. Though strangely they didn't coalesce so rapidly a few months later again when all the facts were laid bare about the abject lies and cover-up by the French police and UEFA. I rather expect the same pattern when, hopefully, Liverpool's actions get the full transparency behind not just the initial cock-up in this case, but the lengths that the PGMOL have gone to this weekend to cover it up.

All that said, I also expect that the audio tapes will now have already been 'lost' from a locked room that only Howard Webb has access to. He is, after all, a former South Yorkshire Police officer.

Not really the place to go to get a balanced view point though is it, they're just after blood

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

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Told you. This -" ooh, whoops we made a booby" bullcrap is unraveling. If they won't release the audio tapes - and just as importantly, if the media don't pursue them for them - it confirms all the darkest conspiracies. Howard Webb is the Richard Nixon of the PGMOL.

 

[Zanjinho]

Told you. This -" ooh, whoops we made a booby" bullcrap is unraveling. If they won't release the audio tapes - and just as importantly, if the media don't pursue them for them - it confirms all the darkest conspiracies. Howard Webb is the Richard Nixon of the PGMOL.

100% more to this. The lies are blatant and don't stack up, they're hiding something. Maybe just protecting one of their own after a serious **** up (bigger than we're being told) but definitely lying. They'd have been better off holding their hands up and apologising. They've not actually apologised btw.

(and no, I'm not saying it was intentional or a vendetta against Liverpool)

 

[Ivan Dobsky]

https://x.com/TeleFootball/status/1708947611397316712?s=20

Hope Liverpool are employing audio engineers to inspect whether the recordings have been edited and/or doctored. they probably don't realise you can do that, or they wouldn't have spent 48 hours trying to 'clean them up'.

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I do not understand is a pretty clear indication of exactly why a body so steeped in self protection and cover up needs to have its arm jostled into doing a proper review.

what lfc are doing is drawing out all the people who are in crowd and favours in the media. the second neville turned you could see he has been got at for example.

however the lfc goal here is not to "get a replay" or "get points" or even "sack the var"

liverpool was an actual real review and actions. the statement and subsequent requests including tapes and the Jones appeal are designed to force their hand in having a transparent review.

I'm sure most fans who are not blinded by bias are now fairly sure those tapes would make the ref and the var gobshites and the pgmol look incompetent l, panicked and then liars. if there was nothing there and a simple oh **** we got this wrong what do we do statement was there followed by a check of laws then why hide it?

you've already the many city stooge kompany toeing the line saying humans make errors etc. I'm sure if there were a reasonable tape that played to this it would be published.

in fact the ideal would have been an acknowledgement of the bad error and live on the day spurs allowing a tap in goal. can you imagine the kudos and start that would have been. that's not without precedent either.

 

[Bumps]

I have jested with the replays for fume value

Chiefly because we are being used as laughing stocks from fans

would love to have seen Pep had this happened to his team or SAF or Jose

However what I think is galling is how we have been fed since the inception of VAR that offside whether we like it or not is factual and cannot be wrong and yet here we are with quite a number of teams all seeing that this is not the case

Blaming VAR and fighting for its removal seem popular shouts

I think we should swap all the English refs to a European country where VAR appears in the main to be working complete with admin teams and see what happens

oh and this season should now be null and voided or a hashtag placed against the winners

unless it’s us then we should be rightfully lauded

 

[moreinjuredthanowen]

I have jested with the replays for fume value

Chiefly because we are being used as laughing stocks from fans

would love to have seen Pep had this happened to his team or SAF or Jose

However what I think is galling is how we have been fed since the inception of VAR that offside whether we like it or not is factual and cannot be wrong and yet here we are with quite a number of teams all seeing that this is not the case

Blaming VAR and fighting for its removal seem popular shouts

I think we should swap all the English refs to a European country where VAR appears in the main to be working complete with admin teams and see what happens

oh and this season should now be null and voided or a hashtag placed against the winners

unless it’s us then we should be rightfully lauded

the whataboutery is hilarious.

nows the time to fix this system. but the same wums and gobshites will be whinging their team got done in a weeks time

 

[saintanton]

the whataboutery is hilarious.

nows the time to fix this system. but the same wums and gobshites will be whinging their team got done in a weeks time

There's an element of tribalism in all of us as football fans, but there are those for whom it's the only reason they're in it - it satisfies some primitive urge to be part of a group and create enemies everywhere.
Anyone who actually cares about the game should be fully behind LFC on this, because nobody is happy with the standard of officiating and the dictatorial nature of the authorities, and somebody has to pressurise them into significant change. Greater transparency and an overall improvement will benefit all in the long run, but they're too small-minded to see it.