Match Day Thread Special Match Preview: Sunderland AFC Vs Newcastle United

If, by barging Fletch off the ball, SideShow had ended up within playing distance of the ball he may have gotten away with it. As it was, Fletcher wasn't going to get the ball so the challenge was unwarranted except to make a physical point in a derby game. It back-fired and he got himself sent off. Ref must've thought Fletch stood a chance of getting the ball and was denied a clear goalscoring opportunity - by the rules of the game that's a sending off offence so the ref got his call right based on what he believed he saw.
Ergo, Newcastle appeal against red card, appeal is turned down on frivolous grounds, extra game ban added for pointless appeal and a fine for Colo refusing to leave the field of play immediately.
McClaren also gets a fine for entering the field of play to confront the ref.
ha ha happy days

 

All that shows is Colo's stupidity of conceding a silly penalty when he didn't need to make the foul, not the refs correct decision to award it. He prevented Fletcher going for the ball. Like I said whether he'd get it or not is irrelevant to the foul. It only matters in the case of the controversial red.

Here Young turns away from goal and the villa defender is about to clean up(probably why he took a dive but that's not the focus here) He's no guarantee of him keeping the goal, he's actually moving away from goal too, but a penalty is still given. Surely by your standards, even if the player was genuinely fouled it would be no penalty.

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Here's another. No goal scoring opportunity, he's at the byline turning towards the corner flag. Penalty. And that's a minnow getting a decision against a big club.

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Here Roben is going nowhere, away from goal, scoring opportunity has gone, he's knocked the ball too hard and is never getting it. He's running away from goal into a crowd of opposing players. Penalty. The defender was daft in not standing off and he trod on his foot. Foul and penalty. Right desicion from the ref, poor decision from the defender.

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Penalties are given for fouls in the box regardless of goal scoring opportunities on a regular bases. A foul is a foul. Whether they have a chance to score or not.

Anyway, I'll stop now, just wanted to point out that by the rules you can be going nowhere and still win a penalty. Agree to disagree.

 

But there was a foul, Terry. Colo goes side-on into Fletcher, with elbow and shoulder, and is going away from the ball. He deliberately plays the man with excessive force. That's a foul and a pen.

I haven't seen anyone on here think it deserved a red, so can't imagine we'd be throwing the rule-book around.

 

Dermot Gallagher (former ref) analyses decisions for sky;

" GALLAGHER SAYS:Bobby Madley clearly sees what people are saying is a foul on Wijnaldum and doesn't give it, so I would back him on that. I don't think anybody can argue the Coloccini one is not a foul - he's taken a risk, he hasn't gone shoulder-to-shoulder, he's gone with his arm also. There are lots of things you could debate about it - I think it's harsh, but it is a foul. What I think is very, very debatable is that it's a red card, and I'm not surprised Newcastle have appealed. I wouldn't know which way the appeal will go, because to win an appeal you have to show the referee has made a clear and obvious error. They can't say it's not a foul, they will base the appeal on a belief keeper Robbie Elliot will get to the ball first. That is the crux of the matter. If they can prove that I think they'll win, if they cant prove that - and I think it will be very difficult - then they will lose. The ball's running away from Fletcher, but when Coloccini hits him that stops Fletcher's momentum so it's debatable at what point Elliot will field the ball."

 

Even in Rugby you can only tackle the man if he has the ball, barging and knocking down Fletcher clear pen, but whether a red card?? except for arguing with the ref of course heh heh

 

You've shown three cases of penalties where the players had control of the ball, Fletcher never had the ball.

Young played for the penalty, he dived to get a penalty and never intended to go round him...

Anyway, it's irrelevant, I'm not a ref, you're not a ref, your opinion is different to mine but you're happy, I'm happy and Monday's nearly finished.

 

It was a penalty and a sending off. Clear as crystal in my opinion and one of the easiest decisions for a ref to make..

 

I think momentum and poor touches led to none of them having control of the ball. Aye, difference of opinion, no worries mate.

 

The most important thing is that there were no horses harmed in the making of the film.

 

Hopefully the dark days of Equidae genocide are over for good. Between Findus and the Mags they've had a tough time over the years.

 

Not to mention being flogged around for £35m before you've even won your first race. Poor horses. Too much pressure on them nowadays.

 

Aye, long gone are the days of modeling for commemorative plates and Ladybird Book front covers. Life was easier then.

 

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Shame that the ref chose this game to suddenly be lenient

Point being Tiote was booked for his first foul and had to walk on eggshells, Cattermole was consistently fouling and breaking up our rhythm with no punishment.

 

It's hard to have a serious debate about Cattermole because no one player has ever blinded a support more than him - some mackems think he should be in the England squad.

 

Was a Tom Daley-esque dive to be fair mate

 

And the award for the most biased post goes to...

 

Bitter though... you've won derbies before after being the worse team surely?

Swings and roundabouts innit, unfortunately you had your namesakes in charge for the first 5 and they couldn't must up a good fart between them, never mind firing a team up for a derby. Looking at this one independently, it was just a ****ter, you move on.

 

I've seen a constant stream of cheating Newcastle players from Barton to Taylor to Tiote in these matches.

Fletcher didn't cheat, the referee decided that Coloccini had committed a foul.

Newcastle supporters feeling hard done to and twisting should think about some of the past incidents in derby games.