Southampton supporters need a reality check, says Kevin Davies

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I thought we Swansea city was the team that use to get raped every season but the saints take the biscuit this season. Half the players who leave end up on the bench and wish they never took the fast buck in the end as they drop down the pecking order. Sometimes i wish clubs like ours would do their best for our own club and say "**** off" to the bigger clubs and say to the player "sorry son you signed a contract and your going nowhere as we are trying to build a team here to match the big guns and not assist them" It wont happen of course as the chairman and board only see the money offered and until somebody with guts stand up and protect the smaller clubs then we have no chance of matching the big boys....
 
the amount of departures at Saints is unprecedented. Name me another club, excluding those that have been relegated and/or gone into a pompey style financial meltdown where so many of last years first team squad have left or on the verge of leaving.

Kevin seems to have ignored this rather vital piece of information!!
 
Yid Vicious said:
No offence taken, lots of other club's supporters hate us but that's mostly because of the Jewish thing. Don't join them in the hissing and you're free to hate us as much as you want :D
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No it's nothing to do with the Jewish thing I assure you. Almost entirely due to the lying, deceitful, two-faced **** who is your new boss. Tapping up players in the same team you are manager of is about as low as you can get. I would love you to be in the bottom half at Christmas so that Levy gives Poch the boot. After that, all the best for the rest of the season. The alternative, him doing well for you, will undoubtedly result in his ****ing off to Barcelona or somewhere next year.
 
DaiswanHuwsmate said:
I thought we Swansea city was the team that use to get raped every season but the saints take the biscuit this season. Half the players who leave end up on the bench and wish they never took the fast buck in the end as they drop down the pecking order. Sometimes i wish clubs like ours would do their best for our own club and say "**** off" to the bigger clubs and say to the player "sorry son you signed a contract and your going nowhere as we are trying to build a team here to match the big guns and not assist them" It wont happen of course as the chairman and board only see the money offered and until somebody with guts stand up and protect the smaller clubs then we have no chance of matching the big boys....
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Dai I think most boards would like to do what you say but supporters have short memories - if they kept a player who then went on strike, didn't put the same level of effort in, disrupted the dressing room, etc and having run their contract down another year as well as lowered their personal stock through stupidity and stubbornness the club then are offered a much lower fee - the player themselves still ends up quids in as there is more money available to take a risk on wages and it's the club that lose out. The supporters meanwhile moan that they should have cashed in last summer at a much higher price!

The smartest thing to do - get rid of an unhappy player for the most you can get, reinvest in someone that wants to be there and push on with a united squad - both Saints and Swansea have seen how successful that can be.

The comments regarding Cortese - CBK spot on. I think he probably fell out with the owner when he realised there was no way we could sanction the kind of contracts that would have been needed to keep these players now there was very real interest from above. He either realised it and quit as we'd hit the ceiling or pushed to take us beyond wanting to offer massive contracts and thank god KL stood firm.
 
PO10Saint said:
Dai I think most boards would like to do what you say but supporters have short memories - if they kept a player who then went on strike, didn't put the same level of effort in, disrupted the dressing room, etc and having run their contract down another year as well as lowered their personal stock through stupidity and stubbornness the club then are offered a much lower fee - the player themselves still ends up quids in as there is more money available to take a risk on wages and it's the club that lose out. The supporters meanwhile moan that they should have cashed in last summer at a much higher price!

The smartest thing to do - get rid of an unhappy player for the most you can get, reinvest in someone that wants to be there and push on with a united squad - both Saints and Swansea have seen how successful that can be.

The comments regarding Cortese - CBK spot on. I think he probably fell out with the owner when he realised there was no way we could sanction the kind of contracts that would have been needed to keep these players now there was very real interest from above. He either realised it and quit as we'd hit the ceiling or pushed to take us beyond wanting to offer massive contracts and thank god KL stood firm.
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Sorry mate players will never do that for the simple reason they cant afford to leave the shop window and if found not trying they can be banned for life and thats the end of their career....Its a myth that they wont try. they dont have a leg to stand on if clubs say they are not going as they were quick enough to sign contracts and demand certain benefits so they should honor that contract until the club say so. some players have not been at clubs two minutes and have 3-4 years left on their contract so can you see any of them not trying i all that time. they would be committing suicide....All it takes is a brave chairman to get the ball rolling and put a halt to no more than 10 clubs in Europe and here from steam rolling over the rest of us...
 
DaiswanHuwsmate said:
Sorry mate players will never do that for the simple reason they cant afford to leave the shop window and if found not trying they can be banned for life and thats the end of their career....Its a myth that they wont try. they dont have a leg to stand on if clubs say they are not going as they were quick enough to sign contracts and demand certain benefits so they should honor that contract until the club say so. some players have not been at clubs two minutes and have 3-4 years left on their contract so can you see any of them not trying i all that time. they would be committing suicide....All it takes is a brave chairman to get the ball rolling and put a halt to no more than 10 clubs in Europe and here from steam rolling over the rest of us...
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Hear you and I was probably being over the top in order to make the point regarding strikes, etc. Football at the very highest level is a game decided on fine margins and there have been plenty of examples of players having there heads turned over the years and threatening all sorts of things behind the scenes - that at least is the perception portrayed in the press and whether true or not the perception of the press creates a form of reality around clubs. A player being a couple of percent of their game unintentionally can be the difference between winning and losing - the clubs will be well aware of this and certainly Saints have seen the benefit of having all the players heads in the right place.

All this said, In principle I agree with you and I think most clubs Boards would as well until it is there club in the situation and they have the decision to make - how many times do you hear them bluffing to stand firm in the press for the deal to go through a week later at a slightly higher price? They've already decided or agreed to sell it's just about trying to drive the best price.
 
I agree that clubs talk big and say such and such a player is not for sale and that can send out two messages at the same time, 1) it makes the fans happy and believe it to be true and 2) letting the big boys know that he wont sell on the cheap. .All chairmen do it and its about time that chairmen at clubs like ours who are not skint and trying to build a better club than the previous season mean what they say as its the fans who pay a lot of money supporting our teams that get let down.....I accept if a club is in financial difficulties that they sometimes have no choice but not the clubs like ours who has worked hard to get where we are and made a few bob should be able to say no sometimes and mean it.......Sorry about ranting on but it makes me so angry that the big clubs want the monopoly of every good player our sort of clubs find and make into a good player only for them to get the true benefits. ....Oh well its time for bed as i have work in the morning.night all..
 
ChilcoSaint said:
No it's nothing to do with the Jewish thing I assure you. Almost entirely due to the lying, deceitful, two-faced **** who is your new boss. Tapping up players in the same team you are manager of is about as low as you can get. I would love you to be in the bottom half at Christmas so that Levy gives Poch the boot. After that, all the best for the rest of the season. The alternative, him doing well for you, will undoubtedly result in his ****ing off to Barcelona or somewhere next year.
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Oh I wasn't saying that it was because of the Jewish thing with you guys, just that we're used to fans disliking us :)
 
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