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Often caused or exacerbated by those Western powers. Funny that, innit?

 

Your brand of comment is much better suited to CI, Sharon.

 

Too serious this thread.

 

What's this about imaginary lines? There are imaginary lines in some places but the English Channel is very real to me. If you are saying that anybody can go anywhere then can you imagine if 6 billion people decide to come to the UK with 60 million people. I know that wont happen but I'm sure the reality would have the same result! These 6 billion people vote for the 60 million people to give them all their property and 99.99% of their income so the 6 billion people can survive. It would be complete chaos.
These national borders are established for very logical reasons.
When the EU was first formed there were several similarly wealthy countries and the Schengen Agreement was agreed in 1985. There wasn't any problems then. Now there are many poor countries as part of the EU and it is not sensible for the Euro to be the currency of all of them or even the majority. If poor people from the rest of the world force their way into the EU and then demand to go anywhere they want and carry out criminal acts if they are not given what they want then society will collapse.
Going back to "imaginary lines". What about having laws within these "imaginary lines"? If "imaginary lines" are abolished then by definition laws are abolished because there are no boundaries and you can't impose laws on everybody. Somebody mentioned the similarity of people thinking it's their right to go to any country they want and breaking down the doors to people's houses. Maybe the law wont change like that but if a billion people come to the UK then the government - until it is overthrown - will have to raise taxes to feed, clothe and house the extra people unless they let them die - I don't think they will die, they will just invade houses and steal from shops and individuals. I'm not talking about a small increase in taxes. Taxes would have to rise to 95% of income. Nobody will think it's worth working. They may as well join the gangs who going round robbing. The police will say they don't have the resources to stop crime any more and will only be used to protect the Royal Family and Government.
Before it gets as bad as this I and many others may be dead but I'm sure that our children will suffer.
Amazingly it would be easy to solve these problems if politicians would analyse the issue properly and show some bravery. Instead they respond to each individual newsworthy item in a haphazard way.

 

This is the usual response by people who don't have any understanding of the issues.

 

So Iraq invading Kuwait was all the West's fault?

 

Don't take this the wrong way Dutch but you too are now talking utter ****e. The criminal element that are currently attempting to cross our borders also have citizenship gained at birth, and they should stay in their own country and use it positively, or commit criminal offences there, which is more likely.

 

Just shows you eh, I had you down as being better than that Polly, and for the record I've never seen, heard or read anything that relates to Katie Hopkins.

Oh and I assume you meant 'written'.

 

First class post Peter, you've identified the potential of a major breakdown in society whilst the politically correct and Soothe Sayers will, if it ever happens, which is highly likely, probably look for a way to lay the blame at the door of the English.

 

Well your use of the word "scumbags" is precisely the kind of ****e she comes out with.

By the way, "writ" is also a past tense/past participle of "write"

 

Then you go and write this:

Which suggests you're actually the one who doesn't understand the issues. These problems go back way further than the first Gulf war, to the partition of the Ottoman Empire, almost a century ago. Go read up or summat.

 

I'm not going to apologise for referring to criminals as scumbags, to my mind it's a fair description. What description would you prefer for people committing criminal acts in an attempt to gain entry into our country? Try not to make it one of those ****ty politically correct cliches.

 

Scare mongering at its best. The sun writers would be proud.

 

Erm, the State of Palestine certainly does exist and is recognised by these countries:

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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict has never been classed as a civil war. The Palestinian refugees in neighbouring Arab nations are not Israeli citizens. The Israeli government offered Palestinian Arabs Israeli citizenship after the war in 1948 and millions refused and sought refuge in Jordan and Lebanon instead with the belief they would return to Israel/Palestine as Palestinian, not Israeli, citizens.

 

If you want to be silly about it why don't you go back to Big Bang and try to reverse everything since then?
I would much rather see what can be done now rather than try to allocate blame decades or centuries ago.

 

Another joke post I see. If you don't agree with something you mention Daily Mail or the Sun.
Let's see if you can use your powers of analysis and provide a sensible criticism of what I said.

 

I am all for helping refugees. The worry is the terrorists that are probably being smuggled into Europe.

 

So a majority of the UN security council doesn't recognise it as a state. It isn't a member of the UN. The war between the Palestinians and the Israeli's is definitely an uncivil war.

Jordan and Lebanon have accepted millions of refugees since 1948 from Palestine/Israel.

When Sinn Fein organise a vote for a united Ireland and offer the protestant minority Irish citizenship do you think they'll accept it? Do you think they should?

 

Maybe Peter took it to the extreme, but as an example of what can happen take a look at Kosovo origionally a region within Serbia
Little by little an ethnic minority grew to over 80% The minority were given road signs in their language, then the schools taught it, the legal system started to use it. Finally the locals rose up supported by the police and military. Thousands of Kosovan's fled the region and were given refugee status. The western powers intervened and brought peace. The twist of fate is that now the remaining Serbs have to live under UN peace keeper protection, the churches and monastary's are also protected to stop any more being burnt to the ground. The ethnic cleansing the west was so keen to prevent is still taking place but it's the Serbs who are been pushed out.
I wonder how many of those who fled at the time of war have returned.

 

And it continues. In 2011 Albanians were 92.9% and Serbs 1.5%